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Making the Sounds of Vista 375

Bengt writes "The sounds of Vista took 18 months to get right for Microsoft. Artist Robert Fripp recorded hours of sound, and assisted Steven Ball in choosing between several different options. A clapping rhythm was rejected for 'sounding too human', and a techno beat was removed from considering because it was just the opposite." From the article: "If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds of sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as the e-mail alert will be played trillions of times in years to come. That's a lot of opportunity to annoy, offend -- or, if the job is done right -- please or appease computer users the world over. One major concern was that the startup sound not grow grating after a time. You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, but it's a paradox to also say, 'Oh and by the way, we need people to love it the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear it,' Ball said."
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Making the Sounds of Vista

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  • Ball said (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rolfwind ( 528248 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @04:38PM (#16807590)
    "Oh and by the way, we need people to love it the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear it."

    I'll settle for "just not annoy me." If I'm supposed to love it, that sounds like too much distraction already.
  • Re:Ball said (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Meagermanx ( 768421 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @04:46PM (#16807674)
    I think I love some sounds just because of what they imply. Like one of Pavlov's dogs, I get a little happier when I hear the "Your Friend Just Logged Into IM!" sound.
  • Pah... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Chaffar ( 670874 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @04:48PM (#16807688)
    If they're so anal about getting the sound "just right", why wouldn't the last step of the install process just ask you to pick a sound scheme out of a set of 10 or so different styles.
    Hell they could even be the SAME notes, but with different instruments to suit the user's taste.
  • I don't have sounds (Score:2, Interesting)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @04:50PM (#16807706) Journal
    I just don't have any sounds on, I have a bleep sound when I get a new email, other than that I think a system should be seen and not heard
  • by toby ( 759 ) * on Saturday November 11, 2006 @05:04PM (#16807822) Homepage Journal
    By Wolfram Research, makers of Mathematica. Surprisingly addictive. [wolframtones.com]

    (Some compositions [wolfram.com] I made.)

  • by sammy baby ( 14909 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @05:32PM (#16808040) Journal
    This link has popped up a few places today, but just in case you missed it: the SF Chronicle did an interview with Fripp [sfgate.com] back in 1996, in which he talked about developing the startup sound to Windows 95.

    I'm kind of a Fripp fan, so I got a kick out of reading this:

    Q: How did you come to compose ``The Microsoft Sound''?

    A: The idea came up at the time when I was completely bereft of ideas. I'd been working on my own music for a while and was quite lost, actually. And I really appreciated someone coming along and saying, ``Here's a specific problem -- solve it.''

    The thing from the agency said, ``We want a piece of music that is inspiring, universal, blah- blah, da-da-da, optimistic, futuristic, sentimental, emotional,'' this whole list of adjectives, and then at the bottom it said ``and it must be 3 1/4 seconds long.''

    I thought this was so funny and an amazing thought to actually try to make a little piece of music. It's like making a tiny little jewel.
  • by springbox ( 853816 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @05:42PM (#16808118)
    Comparison with Windows XP [istartedsomething.com]. I do actually find applications making various sounds useful, because it means I don't have to keep checking or stare at them to check for significant events. There are a lot of sounds in Vista that, by comparison, seem like they're trying to "hide" from the user. Some of them are much less noticeable. In particular, I noticed that the "battery low" and "battery critical" sounds were pretty generic and surprisingly upbeat.
  • No thanks. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SocialEngineer ( 673690 ) <invertedpanda@gmail.c3.14159om minus pi> on Saturday November 11, 2006 @05:46PM (#16808134) Homepage

    I've been a musician for about 13 years now, a composer for 6, and a music snob for many years beyond that, and I can safely say that I think they have succeeded at failing to create a lasting startup sound.

    For the era, The windows 95 startup sound was good - especially in stereo. While it was somewhat obtrusive, I think it was the best out of all the startup sounds MS has bundled with a Windows OS.

    The 4 note progression, if trying to follow the syllables of "Win-dows Vis-ta", should (disclaimer: in my opinion, mind you), be quite different. The ascension progression should (disclaimer: more opinion) hang on the last note (Think "I want my M-T-Veeeeeeeeeeeeee"). Just dropping the progression and sinking into the background chords in the manner they have chosen rubs me the wrong way.

    Now, if they had chosen a progression that doesn't continue to ascend, such as the tradmark NBC sound, I think they would have it. When that "C" is struck, it creates a musical sense of relief and completion (disclaimer: my brain says so).

    The ascension feels like it is choking, to me. Almost like the way a person would ask a short question - "Windows Vista?"

    Oh well. I disable all startup sounds on computers anyway, as they take up RAM, and tend to not blend with whatever music I'm listening to at the time. :)

  • by CrankyOldBastard ( 945508 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @06:01PM (#16808272)
    You left out his work with David Bowie on the Heroes album, which is undoubtedly Fripps most listened-to work. There was an issue of Guitar Player magazine back in the mid 1980s which had details on exactly how he got that delay thing working, and had a floppy record of some astounding solo work. Listen to the David Bowie track "Moss Garden" to hear Frippertronics at full steam.
  • Re:Sounds? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11, 2006 @07:11PM (#16808902)
    Exactly. There's nothing wrong with some eye candy. Users nowadays EXPECT it! MS actually made some docs or guidelines for programmers stating this very clearly. Features alone doesn't cut it. The best app in the world, with a Win 3.11-like theme looks like a unprofessional app, e.g. 7zip - it's VERY good (handles most major formats, has very good compression ratios, free, etc), but the GUI - especially the icons - *SUCKS*. It looks like ass (like an early Delphi 2 app), so most people still use winrar - and even winzip in a large portion (even though it's expensive and bloated crap that does little more than handling just zip files). The day 7zip gets a revamped GUI (including some nice icons), winzip is so totally dead. Even winrar would suffer a great deal.

    And having an artist create some flashy theme hardly prevents developers from doing their job of making a good app. Nowadays, you need *BOTH*.

    7zip should have some fund raiser to pay some graphical artist, or have some contest about creating themes for it or such.
  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Saturday November 11, 2006 @07:36PM (#16809142)
    The ability to change the Start-up sound in Vista has been removed.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11, 2006 @08:19PM (#16809498)
    So true. "Just let the user decide!" is the designer's cop-out for not having a sensible default.

    Sure, let the user change the sound later if they want, but don't have a blocking step in the install forcing them to pick. Yeesh. Linux won't advance past the server room with thinking like that. Taking care of the details is the designer's job, not the user's.
  • More bodies? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by camperdave ( 969942 ) on Sunday November 12, 2006 @02:06AM (#16811506) Journal
    You can't just throw more bodies at the problem. That just makes matters worse.

    Isn't it one of the tenets of Open Source, that with enough eyes on the code, bugs are shallow? Why would that work for Linux and other Open Source projects, and not for Microsoft?

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