Apple in Talks with Wal-Mart over Movies 176
Alex, Variety.com writes "If you can't beat 'em ... Apple and Wal-Mart are in discussions over an alliance that could allow the giant retailer to profit from iTunes video downloads. Apple would then gain access to titles from every major studio." From the article: "A deal could take the form of a digital download 'coupon' that would allow consumers to buy movies, TV shows or music on iTunes with Apple paying the retail giant a percentage of the proceeds, one industry insider said ... Hollywood has been closely watching Disney's relationship with Wal-Mart in the wake of the deal. When Wal-Mart caught wind of talks between the studios and Apple, it threatened to cut its order of 'High School Musical' over the summer. Disney CEO Bob Iger did the deal with Jobs anyway, and the rest of Hollywood has been watching to see if and when the other shoe drops."
Getting in bed with the devil... (Score:2, Insightful)
Jump in logic (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a huge jump in logic. It's assuming that the reason why Apple doesn't have access to these titles now is strictly because Wal-Mart is competing with iTunes. The fact remains Apple will still have to hack out distribution deals often on a per-title basis, and many of the studios don't want to offer most of their movies for download at all. It's got nothing to do with Wal-Mart.
All this deal would do is remove one of the smaller obstacles Apple faces in getting more films on iTunes (and my bet is Wal-Mart is probably the least of Apple's headaches). The big obstacles - copyright, DRM, distribution rights, contracts between various parties, etc. - would still remain.
Re:Not sure this means what I think it means (Score:4, Insightful)
If you can't beat 'em? (Score:4, Insightful)
Seems to me that they're just looking to a different channel to market their product since the first channel wasn't interested.
In a honest administration, Wal-Mart should worry (Score:5, Insightful)
Its perfectly legal and valid for Wal-Mart to squeeze its suppliers when they sell to Wal-Mart, but to threaten suppliers because they are selling through other venues, when Wal-Mart has an unquestioned monopoly in many areas, would be asking for intervention.
However, with the current DoJ completely toothless, and prefering Seattlements (eg, the Microsoft anti-trust resolution) to actually going after entrenched business interests (especially hard-core republican supporters like the Waltons), Wal-Mart doesn't need to worry.
Freaking Christ. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Getting in bed with the devil... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:In a honest administration, Wal-Mart should wor (Score:5, Insightful)
Got a lot of friends who've been working for Wal-Mart for years and have been getting the shaft the whole time. Wal-Mart does not care about its employees or suppliers. I work in the health-care industry, particularaly with insurance providers. Wal-Mart contracts through Blue Cross of Illinois for benefits of their 'full-time' work force. (Meaning 40 hours a week, but they won't pay you overtime if you work 60 one week and 20 the next). You want a bad benifit package, ask a Wal-Mart employee. The government offers far better insurance for people below the poverty line and for much cheaper. And your average full-time (non-manager) Wal-Mart employee is at poverty-level income.
Re:Not sure this means what I think it means (Score:5, Insightful)
Digital downloads are the ultimate in impulse purchases. Say, for example, you're sitting at home on a weeknight, there's nothing on TV, and you have too much time on your hands before bed. Do you:
a) Get dressed, get in your car, drive to Wal-mart, purchase a DVD, wait in the checkout line, drive home, and pop it in the DVD player; or
b) Open iTunes, browse the movie/TV selections, download and watch your movie/TV Show
If you've got broadband, "b" is almost always preferential. Option "a" is just too much of a hassle, and the store may be closed anyway. (Especially for those poor late shift workers.) The only thing that holds consumers back on making that sort of purchase is price. No matter what studios think, a digital download does not have as much intrinsic value as a packaged Disc. Which means that if the consumer feels that the digital price is too close to the price of the physical copy, they're not going to spend the money. While studios may think this means that the consumer will go purchase the DVD, more likely it means that they'll purchase NOTHING.
If they wanted the movie bad enough to get a DVD, they would have gotten a DVD rather than a digital download. DVDs have more value as "keepsake" items due to their special features and permanent, physical storage. Thus digital downloads will be likely to complement DVD sales rather than usurp them. Which means that Walmart should keep carrying Batman Begins, but they can drop Ultraviolet.
Apple has a lot to gain.... (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Walmart sells a boatload of iPods. Apple probably wants to keep Microsoft out of the game... Given Walmart's purchasing power, Steve will insist on two things: a)squeeze Microsoft on cost margins further exacerbating Zune's losses b)iPod gets premium shelf spacing other players including Samsung and Microsoft get stored in the back c)iPod accessories get better placement (taking it further perhaps extending Apple's store within a store concept from CompUSA to Walmart d)leverage for margin negotiations over iPod sales
2. Fairplay.... Walmart does not take backstabbing lightly. Microsoft's strategy to drop PFS (remember Walmarts 88cent store is based on PFS) support and create a new DRM standard reeks of screwing their partners. Sure Microsoft thinks they can get away with it because they are a Monopoly. But Walmart is a monopsony.... when a monopoly meets a monopsony its like Godzilla meets Mothra..... Walmart is going to put its weight behind Fairplay... this will create quite a bit of momentum for Apple
3. Apple gets to have major studios onboard with Walmart's support
Wal-Mart just being a dick because they can (Score:3, Insightful)
It's my experience that the people who would be buying movies online are not necessarily the same people who regularly shop at Wal-Mart. There are overlaps, definitely, but on the whole the two markets don't overlap. And maybe that's just my own standard biased view point, but this just seems like a classic bully situation. Wal-Mart needs to be put down.
Are Antitrust Laws still enforced in the US? (Score:1, Insightful)
dont have to have anything in common (Score:3, Insightful)
Congratulations, this is why it could work out. You now have the spectrum of people who buy cheap (walmart) and people who pay the Apple Tax (apple). You have two different segments of the market that neither one can hack due to stereotypes. And when you combine their powers...
Re:Getting in bed with the devil... (Score:3, Insightful)
Just WHO is Wal-Mart ? (Score:3, Insightful)
The Internet, is BIGGER than not only wal-mart, but ALL retail store chains combined.
Wal-Mart, YOU have to adapt to the modern times. Modern times will not adapt to your ways.
Hardly appropriate (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hardly appropriate (Score:3, Insightful)
And for your completely laughable comment about Walmart launching their own service, I would like to remind you this is precisely what Walmart did when the iTunes Store started selling music. Do you know anyone who buys their Windows-only tracks at $.88 a piece from this service? If you do, I'll bet you know at least 10 people using iTunes for every one using the Walmart service.
Re:In a honest administration, Wal-Mart should wor (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: Wal-Mart and employment (Score:3, Insightful)
When you look at it that way, it seems like a bad idea to complain that they should pay their workers more! Why reward apathy? People always have "other choices", really. They just don't have other choices they're willing to put forth the effort to take advantage of. (And hey - that's human nature. I know *I* could do better for myself, financially, if I was willing to make some sacrifices I don't choose to make. But that's my own personal "comfort zone". And it sounds like for some of these Wal-Mart workers, theirs is having a steady paycheck and a job at "poverty level income", vs. having to learn new skills or deal with personal problems they may have.)
Future is Digital (Score:3, Insightful)
Walmart's air supply is DVD's, period.
FTA:: "Studios are trying to calculate how much longer DVD sales -- 40% of which go through Wal-Mart -- will be a cornerstone of their business."
Walmart is sucking thin air unless they replace sales lost to Digital downloads.
FTA:: "Studio sources say the rest of the majors (Hollywood studios) are very close to joining Disney in a deal with Apple but are holding off until the end of the key fourth quarter (Xmas), when half of all DVD sales occur."
Walmart is out of air after Xmas.
Walmart is the next Luddite if they don't transition with their customer's, Hollywood and popular culture going over to Digital.
In play are Walmart customer's, who's going to win their Entertainment dollar$ and live off the follow-on patronage represented by that $75.00 shopping basket. I would venture that Amazon is looking pretty good to Walmart right about now. A Bricks&Clicks deal would put Walmart's distribution behind every Amazon click to bring real leverage to the marketplace.
Re: Wal-Mart and employment (Score:2, Insightful)