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TiVo Announces High-Def Series3 DVR 225

prostoalex writes "Catching up with the competition, TiVo is set to unveil a high-definition digital video recorder. The unit will feature dual tuners, 250 GB, and a hefty price sticker: 'The long-awaited product will be $800 and available in mid-September, the company said. Subscription fees for the TiVo service are separate ... TiVo officials attributed its long development time in part to waiting for certain technologies to mature and the lengthy process of getting industry-related approvals, such as for the set-top-box's two built-in CableCARD slots. CableCARD slots allow users to access digital programming from a cable TV provider without the need for a separate receiver. The Series3 HD box also represents TiVo's first major product upgrade since it released its networked Series2 DVR in 2002.'"
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TiVo Announces High-Def Series3 DVR

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:14AM (#16088594)
    $840, and will do more than a Tivo at the same price.

    I'm assuming you consider more as not being able to record about 75% of the HD content out there.
  • by fruity_pebbles ( 568822 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:16AM (#16088610)
    The DIY HTPC won't do CableCard, and your inexpensive tuner cards won't do HD. If you want that functionality the expensive Tivo is a good choice.
  • by gr8_phk ( 621180 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:26AM (#16088689)
    your inexpensive tuner cards won't do HD
    At $129 the HD5500 from pchdtv.com isn't the cheapest one out there, but it does recieve OTA and unencrypted cable HDTV. There are cheaper solutions out there, this is just a later rev of the one I've had for 2 years. You are correct that an HTPC won't support cable card. OTOH, it does support burning to DVD.
  • Re:Satellite? (Score:3, Informative)

    by enrico_suave ( 179651 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:28AM (#16088703) Homepage
    Hauppauge and Cyberlink are working on a subscription satellite PC DVR solution [byopvr.com] so that you can legitimately "tune"/record your digital premium/subscription HDTV content from satellite.

    But it's not out yet (just recently announced)...

    E.
  • Looks about right... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Controlio ( 78666 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:39AM (#16088798)
    $800 is just about right for a device of this caliber. It is meant to be leading-edge tech. It is the most advanced DVR out there. The only people who are jumping into the waters early are the people who would gladly fork over that much money to have the latest and greatest - and they will get it.

    And for all of the posts bitching about "$800 PLUS subscription!??!?!?", remember that this is a set-top box replacement. You already pay Comcast or [insert other cable behemoth here] $10/month for that POS DVR that they provide with a clunky unreliable interface. $2 more gets you a better interface, suggestions, downloadable content, more guide data, the ability to program over the internet, the ability to download shows to your laptop or other device, the ability to display slide shows, mp3 playback, mp3 streaming, podcast streaming, and so on and so on and so on. And that's not even including the features in the pipeline, like (official) storage upgrades and a ton of other unannounced projects.

    For $3 more a month, bring me my TiVo. And as far as the $800 initial fee, if you can't afford it - just wait for the first round of rebates. Or do what I always do, upgrade when they offer unbelievably cheap factory refurb units. Every TiVo I've ever owned has been a refurb - and with proper cable surge protection and a Smart-UPS, my units have never failed me.
  • by jaredcat ( 223478 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:44AM (#16088838)
    The Series3 went for sale a few hours ago on Tivo.com [tivo.com] for $799.

    According to TivoBlog, some Best Buy stores are taking preorders showing a delivery date of 9/17/06. There have also been rumors over the past few weeks that Best Buy and CircuitCity will have the Series3 Tivo in stock on the 17th or 19th.

    Despite the heavy price tag, the need to rent 2 CableCARDs from my local Cable Company, and the expensive $12.95 Tivo monthly fee, I placed my order within a few minutes of Tivo making the change to their website. I bought one of the first 14-hour Tivos when they went on sale in 1999, and in all that time I have not seen another DVR that has a UI as good as the Tivo one. I finally abandoned Tivo in favor of a Cable Company DVR in 2004 when my local Cable Company started to offer HD programming. Finally Tivo is catching up 2 years later.

    By the way, you can thank design firm IDEO [ideo.com] for many of the UI innovations of the Tivo (and early Macs as well).

  • by kalidasa ( 577403 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:48AM (#16088870) Journal
    EyeTV Hybrid cannot record cable HDTV, period; only over air (don't believe me? read the FAQ). The CableCard provides not only unencrypted cable HDTV channels, but even encrypted channels. I use my EyeTV on my PowerMac as an adjunct to my TiVo, but don't consider it a replacement.
  • by jaredcat ( 223478 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:51AM (#16088892)
    I disagree with your assesment.

    The CableCARDs are rented from the local cable company at something like $5 - $15/month.

    The Tivo is essentially commodity hardware stitched together with solid software and a fantastic UI. As the cost of those commodity parts drop, so will the retail price of the Series3 Tivo.

    In the past, Tivo has been willing to sell the hardware at a loss hoping to make up the cost with their $12.95/month service fee. It hasn't really worked out that well for them, so they are not willing to sell the Series3 at a loss like they did with the Series1 and Series2. I suspect this is one of the reasons why Tivo is allowing (for the first time ever) to transfer "lifetime" subscriptions to the Tivo service bought in 1999-2000 to the new Series3 boxes. They actually make money selling a new box now.

  • by ArikTheRed ( 865776 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:56AM (#16088918) Homepage
    Actually, you can do a lot with TiVo hardware: http://tivohme.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
  • by RosenSama ( 836736 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:59AM (#16088940)
    For bi-directional support you're talking about CableCARD 2.0, which Tivo Series 3 will support [arstechnica.com]. Here's more of Ars' coverage [arstechnica.com] of CableCARD 2.0
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @12:11PM (#16088999)
    There are two parts to bi-directional support - technology and licensing. Series 3 supports the technology, but in order to support bi-directional functionality, manufacturers must agree to certain terms and conditions. A license called CHILA [opencable.com] exists, but is unacceptable to many manufacturers, largely because it requires devices to interface with cable through OCAP, which means that rather than using protocols to access pay-per-view content, it has to use the whole cable operator middleware. Companies like TiVo, which pride themselves on user experience, tend to find this wholly unacceptable.

    There are efforts to create a new license that does not rely on OCAP, but until then, I doubt TiVo will support bidirectional CableCARD.
  • Re:Not quite (Score:4, Informative)

    by schnurble ( 16727 ) * on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @12:49PM (#16089402) Homepage
    It's not just "announced". It's available for sale [tivo.com].
  • by speculatrix ( 678524 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @01:17PM (#16089723)
    do you mean why can't you buy one of these: pci black magic hd capture card [reghardware.co.uk]

    sure you can!

  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @03:08PM (#16090692) Homepage Journal
    One other piece of info. I've got an older Series2 with lifetime sub.

    Just got email from Tivo saying if I buy a new HD Tivo, for $199 they'll transfer my lifetime sub to the new HD unit. Offer appears to be good for purchases of new HD unit through 12/31/2006, and you must activate new service by 01/31/2006.

    They will also allow your older Tivo to work no charge for service for 12 mos, after which you can deactivate it, or pay monthly on it.

    I might do this....just to have HD content going while the issues for MythTV and encrypted HD content on cable is 'worked' on...

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