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Open Source Could Learn from Capitalism 385

ukhackster writes to tell us that Sun's Simon Phipps challenged many open source ideals at a recent open source conference in London. Urging the open source community to look to the lessons of capitalism, Phipps called for "volunteerism" to be replaced with "directed self-interest" and denounced the perceived legal issues surrounding open source. From the article: "Phipps took time out to take a swipe at some of the exhibitors at the conference who were selling professional advice on negotiating the open source 'legal minefield'. 'I disagree with those who say who say open source is a legal minefield,' he said as he threw from the stage a brochure from one firm of lawyers. 'If you think open source is a minefield you're doing it wrong.'"
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Open Source Could Learn from Capitalism

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  • Are you serious? (Score:5, Informative)

    by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @04:31PM (#15623755) Journal
    If you are, you haven't looked hard. ClamAV for antivirus. As for spyware, there isn't really any written for Solaris or Redhat, so no need for anti-spyware. There are a lot of security auditing tools, though. Do your own research.
  • by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @04:41PM (#15623820) Homepage
    So Phipps says the future of open source is in companies (and individuals) cooperating and each one preserving what is of value to it. He says it's not about altruism but about self-interest. Is this news? Do a Google search for "scratch your own itch" [google.com] and you end up with a whole bunch of references to open source. Hardly original thinking on Phipps's part.

  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @04:44PM (#15623850)
    I'd love to know.

    Here is an article how Linux IS Capitalist [lewrockwell.com]
  • Re:Are you serious? (Score:1, Informative)

    by ABeowulfCluster ( 854634 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @04:47PM (#15623870)
    There's also 'chkrootkit' to check for rootkits.
  • Re:editing posts (Score:5, Informative)

    by linvir ( 970218 ) * on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @05:45PM (#15624284)

    Before replies, before moderation, and before a few minutes have passed. Also, you'd need to block moderation of very recently edited comments. And a cost of one point off the starting score for the comment.

    It's unlikely to ever be implemented though, because their stance on letting people delete their comments [slashdot.org] would probably apply to editing as well:

    We believe that discussions in Slashdot are like discussions in real life- you can't change what you say, you only can attempt to clarify by saying more.
  • rocket science (Score:5, Informative)

    by weierstrass ( 669421 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @06:15PM (#15624469) Homepage Journal
    neither is the Preview button
  • Re:Missing the point (Score:5, Informative)

    by rgmoore ( 133276 ) * <glandauer@charter.net> on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @06:24PM (#15624511) Homepage
    The Stallman-esque extremists who want to avoid anything that they think is in some way capitalist are just as bad, though.

    Not nearly as bad as the people who try to categorize others incorrectly. Stallman doesn't think that it's wrong to make money selling Free Software. To the contrary, he actively encourages people to do so. Just read the FSF's essay on selling Free Software [fsf.org]. For people who can't bother to follow the link, a salient quote is (emphasis is from the original):

    Since free software is not a matter of price, a low price isn't more free, or closer to free. So if you are redistributing copies of free software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some money. Redistributing free software is a good and legitimate activity; if you do it, you might as well make a profit from it.

    Distributing free software is an opportunity to raise funds for development. Don't waste it!

    That doesn't seem like somebody who's opposed to capitalism.

  • by WebMink ( 258041 ) <slashdot@MENCKENwebmink.net minus author> on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @06:56PM (#15624691) Homepage

    In fact I said and routinely say nothing of the sort. Matt Asay does a fine job of summarising the main points I made [infoworld.com], which you will note do not include claiming "open source could learn from capitalism". In fact I wonder if the other reporter was even at the same event. Reading through the whole thread here I'm amazed that people feel they can come to any conclusions about what I think based on an intentionally provocative and ill-informed article by a ZDNet reporter who badly summarises the thrust of my keynote in reported speech apparently intended to garner Slashdot coverage.

    And I disagree with your outdated analysis of Sun, naturally.

  • Re:Missing the point (Score:5, Informative)

    by SavvyPlayer ( 774432 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @07:04PM (#15624730)
    The Stallman-esque extremists who want to avoid anything that they think is in some way capitalist are just as bad, though.
    There is nothing Stallman-esque about avoiding all things capitalist. Stallman's philosophy is distilled in what he calls the "Four Freedoms". These are:

    0. The freedom to run the program, for any purpose.
    1. The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
    2. The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor.
    3. The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.

    The FSF supports any (legitimate) business/revenue model which respects these four freedoms.

  • Re:Missing the point (Score:5, Informative)

    by Jherek Carnelian ( 831679 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @07:12PM (#15624773)
    If Stallman wants to avoid capitalism, so be it.

    WTF?

    Do you really believe that, or are you just trolling?

    As far as I know, Stallman has nothing against capitalism. He just believes that ideas are not capital but can be the result of capitalism - just like a full belly or a feeling of happiness can be the result of capitalist production but are not capital themselves.
  • by Mateo_LeFou ( 859634 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @07:13PM (#15624782) Homepage
    Wik [wikipedia.org]
  • by vruz ( 468626 ) on Wednesday June 28, 2006 @10:24PM (#15625450) Homepage
    A little later after posting parent I came across this: about RedHat [eweek.com]

    which is very unlike news about Sun Microsystems [com.com]

    But no surprise there, it's been happening for a while [com.com]

    now who's capitalistic ?
  • by WebMink ( 258041 ) <slashdot@MENCKENwebmink.net minus author> on Thursday June 29, 2006 @04:54AM (#15626500) Homepage

    I am fascinated by the words you are putting into my mouth here. The things you claim I said are pretty much the opposite of what I believe - I suppose that's what happens when you use reported speech from a clueless journalist as truth. The journalist really didn't understand what I was saying.

    He clearly means that it should be okay to not 'share' code as long as the commons is 'enriched'.

    Absolutely not. In the talk I explain clearly that those who do not share their work lose out. Keeping source to yourself benefits no-one and the whole point of that part of the talk was to explain why attempting to withhold work from the community was a mistake.

    Here he's arguing that people shouldn't be reimplementing Java (as kaffe, sablevm, etc), but instead 'cooperating' with Sun and working on Sun's proprietary implementation of it.

    Absolutely wrong. See above.

    The message here is: free software is bad, stop doing it because we don't want to play and that means competing implementations which is bad for everyone.

    It's hard to see how you possibly be further from my view. If I thought free software was bad, I would not have licensed the OpenOffice.org source under LGPL, for example, and I would not be directing the staff at Sun to take Sun's entire software portfolio open source.

  • Yes, you're missing the point of what I'm saying - I in fact agree with you. What I am saying is that, in a world where one can no longer charge for the right to use software, the only place there is left to earn a living is by providing value to the software user at the point where they need it. I have explained this in detail before [sun.com] but essentially what I my "Software Market 3.0" point says is that once Freedom 0 is guaranteed, business models based on restrictions on use can no longer work, and all business models available in the F/OSS future are based on delivering value - service, support, bug-fixing and so on - at the point where the customer can no longer provide those things themselves based on skills. The whole point of my job is to help Sun transition into that F/OSS future.

  • Re:Err, correction (Score:3, Informative)

    by orasio ( 188021 ) on Thursday June 29, 2006 @09:26AM (#15627305) Homepage
    Ok.
    But bear in mind that the GNU system _was_ made in order to protect freedom.

    Free Software _is_ about protecting freedom.
    Open Source isn't, it's about writing software, for fun _or_ profit.

    I care more about free software, but I think it's great when people do it for the money, but don't choose to restrict your freedom.

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