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U.S. Service Personnel Data Stolen 343

BStrunk writes "I was reading the news this morning on Reuters, when I stumbled across this article: U.S. Service Personnel Personal Data Stolen In the article, an official violated policy by taking the detailed personal information of thousands of active and reserve troops to his personal home, storing it on a personal computer, that was later stolen. In an age where domestic phone calls are monitored, a government employee was allowed to walk out of a government installation with the data on thousands of American citizens to store on an insecure personal computer? Doesn't that seem strange to you? This is a real failure, in my opinion, in government protection of its citizens. Layers of encryption and protected access was successfully bypassed to make the theft of this information as simple as stealing a home pc. Now, not only do service personnel currently serving have to worry about IEDs and being fired upon, but they are now subject to possible identity theft. A real failure. After this, how could one have faith enough to serve an inept institution?"
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U.S. Service Personnel Data Stolen

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  • Re:IED? (Score:3, Informative)

    by RingDev ( 879105 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:11AM (#15486923) Homepage Journal
    Improvised Explosive Devise.

    Basically a bunch of artillery shells wired to a trigger or remote. When a US convoy drives past the IED hiding spot, a watcher triggers the explosive and the huge crater is formed right where the convoy used to be.

    -Rick
  • Re:IED? (Score:2, Informative)

    by dk-software-engineer ( 980441 ) * on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:11AM (#15486928)
    Improvised Explosive Device - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ied [wikipedia.org]
  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:11AM (#15486933)
    You could at least post the update that the Vet's are now suing the VA [baselinemag.com].
  • by SomeoneGotMyNick ( 200685 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:12AM (#15486936) Journal
    This is in addition to the identifying data of millions of Veterans stolen in the same event. They originally reported only Veteran data. Now it seems it contains active duty soldier info as well.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:13AM (#15486951)
    http://www.va.gov/ [va.gov]

    "This data contained identifying information including names, social security numbers, and dates of birth for up to 26.5 million veterans and some spouses, as well as some disability ratings."
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:14AM (#15486965)
    The information is not classified, it's Official Use Only, which is a form of protected information. Personell records are usually, in part, execmt from freedom of information act requests, so they may enjoy a slightly higher level of protection than ordinary OUO.

    However, nearly every govenrment computer in existence includiung laptops has gobs of OUO information on it. It's not encrypted because it's not that sort of information. It's just controlled dissemination. That does not mean it might be harmless to release it but it's way below classified.

    It is not alarming the people occasionally accdentally disseminate or lose control of OUO. Employees are simply expcted not to do so wilfully or wantonly or carelessly. Its even permissible to share OUO with people outside the governemnt if the employee thinks it would be useful to do so. The fact that OUO was taken home is not a big deal.

    In this case the only big distinctions are the massive quantity of the information, and the fact that it's personell records which do have higher levels of protection. Apparently it was also policy not to take these home.
  • Apples and oranges (Score:3, Informative)

    by operagost ( 62405 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:17AM (#15486980) Homepage Journal
    In an age where domestic phone calls are monitored, a government employee was allowed to walk out of a government installation with the data on thousands of American citizens to store on an insecure personal computer?
    Those are two separate issues. The proverbial apples and oranges come to mind. It's something like saying, "In an age where crackers are trading warez across P2P networks, people are allowed to have CD-RW drives in their computers?"

    Besides, domestic calls are not monitored without a warrant. Do you have a problem with that? Perhaps you are thinking of international* calls to known members of terrorist organizations.

    Doesn't that seem strange to you.
    Is that a question?

    * According to my phone bill, a call made from my house to another country is an international call.

  • by blueZ3 ( 744446 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:19AM (#15487005) Homepage
    that most folks who go in the military don't do it to "serve an inept institution" or to serve an insitiution of any kind. Those who are serving for ideological reasons (even if "patriotism" only plays a small part in the decision) believe they're serving the country as a whole and the ideals it stands for. That's why we say "serving our country" not "serving the military."

    Everyone who has been in the service knows that there are always a few idiots up in the higher levels of the chain of command. Also that the civilian employees of the DoD aren't always interested in looking out for the interests of the military personnel that they are supposed to be serving. Dealing with the civilian DoD folks was a constant frustration during my time at Fort Bragg. Not that those folks are all bad, but the service they gave me when I was in the 82nd was second only to the service I get from the DMV -- surly and uncooperative.
  • Re:Not a dupe! (Score:4, Informative)

    by SomeoneGotMyNick ( 200685 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:28AM (#15487064) Journal
    Not quite....

    The Active Duty info is a subset [wgal.com] of the same data stolen weeks ago.

  • by Doctor Memory ( 6336 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @10:43AM (#15487169)
    This follows on to the theft of several laptops worth of corporate employee data. Almost makes me want to open up a consumer credit protection business...

    Ernst & Young lose data on a quarter-million Hotels.com customers [theregister.co.uk]

    Ernst & Young (hey, there is a theme here!) lose information on Sun employees (including then-CEO Scott McNealy) [theregister.co.uk]. Also included were employee records for IBM, Nokia and Cisco.

    Wells Fargo proves it can play the game too [theregister.co.uk].

    And not to be left out, let's not forget Fidelity's loss of 200,000 HP employee records [theregister.co.uk].

    What's scary is that both Fidelity and E&Y audit other companies for security and regulatory compliance (including HIPAA and Sarbanes-Oxley)...
  • Re:Once again. . . (Score:2, Informative)

    by lowvato ( 68700 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @12:05PM (#15487874) Journal
    I generally agree but have to add that when I worked on a Naval base, we had a very good set of govies, mostly software engineers (some with PhDs) who operated at a very sophisticated level of computing and were not just sitting around and rotting in their chairs. Even the management was good. In this case it was often the contractors that were mediocre -- we had the full range of really good contractors and some who were only good for dragging tax dollars out of the millitary. I think the difference here was that the job was interesting (meteorological and oceanic weather modelling products). Most people will sit around and rot when they are restricted by small minded bureaucracies. Everything was fine at this place until you had to request office supplies.
  • Excuse me? (Score:5, Informative)

    by vivin ( 671928 ) <vivin,paliath&gmail,com> on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @12:08PM (#15487903) Homepage Journal
    Now, not only do service personnel currently serving have to worry about IEDs and being fired upon, but they are now subject to possible identity theft. A real failure. After this, how could one have faith enough to serve an inept institution?"

    I'm in Iraq right now. Yes, we have to deal with IED's and being fired upon. And yes, having to worry about this isn't all that great either. But that has absolutely nothing to do with "serving an inept institution" as you call it. We don't serve an institution. We serve in the Armed Forces of the United States. I serve in the Army, and I don't think that the Army is inept. This isn't a failure of the US Army as a whole, but it was due to the indiscretionary act of one person. He violated OPSEC (Operational Security) and he had no business taking sensitive information into his personal computer. This is HIS fault, and I hope he gets prosecuted to the fullest possible extent under the UCMJ. So please, like the parent said, no editioralization is necessary. We serve because we took an oath. We serve because we are professionals. We serve because words like Loyalty, Honor, Duty and Courage mean something to us. It doesn't mean that it means nothing to a civilian. But I hate it when people assume we are nothing but mindless drones. I, personally, try to keep politics away from the military. Which is why I don't endorse any side of political debate, when speaking as a soldier. I'm here to do a job, and I'm here as a professional.

    Sorry for going so far off-topic.
  • Re:Once again. . . (Score:1, Informative)

    by gobblez ( 659715 ) on Wednesday June 07, 2006 @05:41PM (#15490457)
    The stop-loss program has ceased? Then why was I held in Iraq and my home base after redeployment almost half a year past my ETS?

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