Dell Aims for Gamers with XPS M1710 265
Mr Tits writes "Dell moved to solidify its position in the lucrative gaming market yesterday by launching the XPS M1710, a dual-core processor system designed to let gamers simultaneously play three-dimensional games while encoding music or scanning for viruses.
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What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even as a desktop replacement that's just not sensible. Unless you're playing games from 1998 you're still going to need every teeny little bit of power that thing has, and you'd still be alt-tabbing out of games to check the other tasks, which will do nothing for them.
And how exactly the hell does "Dual core" help you when you're thrashing the hard drive wildly trying to virus check?
Scanning for viruses? (Score:5, Insightful)
WTF?
Heey everyone! Now you can use your computer AND scan for viruses at the same time! How awesome is that!
Is that really a selling point?
Scanning for Viruses = IO Intensive (Score:2, Insightful)
I find that virus scanning isn't so bad on the CPU but is killer with the I/O. And personally, I'd rather save my IO for map loading and such.
Dual CD drives? (Score:5, Insightful)
Have they removed the Dell spyware and malware (Score:4, Insightful)
First they have random unneeded software such as Musicmatch jukebox, Quickbooks Demo, various useless Dell phone home software packages etc. There have been several reviews of Dell gaming machines where some games won't even start because of incompatibilities some games have with Dell's TSR's.
Secondly, Dell's warranties aren't worth a crap. For example if a Dell computer has a bad hard drive it will take at least 3 hours of calls and diagnosis before you can get their helpdesk to send someone out to replace it. It's generally easier to go to (insert computer store here) and replace the drive yourself rather than wearing the cost of using Dell's helpdesk at all.
A lot of my customers use Dell computers. I support them a lot. If you do end up with one make sure to reinstal from scratch, try not to use the recovery CDs which will restore all the crappy Dell spyware with it.
That's my 2c.
Kiwi
Re:What? (Score:4, Insightful)
A dual-core really doesn't make games snapper, as I can't think of any that are designed as multi-threaded, but it means you can leave a lot of other stuff running (assuming you've got enough memory) without worrying about how it might drag the game down.
And in the somewhat frequent instances where one app might consume 100% of the CPU through either design of flaw, the system is still responsive because you've got another CPU handling your requests.
In short, I'm never going back to single-core.
Marketing dual cores to windows users (Score:3, Insightful)
a dual-core processor system designed to let gamers simultaneously play three-dimensional games while encoding music or scanning for viruses.
This is the first time I have heard of virus protection as justification for using a dual core processor. That is almost as bad as marketing dual cores because they do fast DRM. Why have windows users come to expect so little?
Re:Duo Core (Score:4, Insightful)
I doubt so, considering that Dell bundles its XPS PCs with a crap load of software that slows down your gaming exprience [slashdot.org]. Of course, it's possible to achieve good results by doing a fresh reinstall of Win XP on them.
Battery life (Score:2, Insightful)
With all that high spec dual core processor, gfx card, big 30% brighter lcd screen, simulateous virus scanning, burning cds and all the wizbang gizmos...I think it's more of a 'desktop replacement' than a 'notebook'.
If you are doing word processing good, if you're playing, have a power socket nearby.
Re:I don't get it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Or maybe they will just let the Alienware brand die? It's not something that hasn't happened before.
60GB HD? (Score:3, Insightful)
60GB hard drives is quite small for a *gaming PC*. Between todays OS (several GBs) and games sizes reaching into the GBs, mp3/ogg collections reaching into the GBs whats up with a 60GB HD? I'm supprised the default isn't at least a 120GB. I don't even game much (though I keep Quake 3 installed for the times when I want to get my blood flowing) have 3 drives. (1) ATA 120GB, and (2) 35GB 10K rpm SATA in raid 0. That gives me 70GB for fast loading software, video, etc, and another 120 for the OS, backups, and scrach media.
Re:Marketing dual cores to windows users (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless you're a gamer. You know, the kind of people Dell is hoping will buy an XPS system.
It's all fine and dandy if "most people" want to have all these programs running all the time. Hardcore gamers, though, know to turn everything off if they want the best performance. Dell apparently still doesn't understand this - they first of all load all the same junk onto their XPS machines as they do on their mainstream machines, then rather than tout the raw gaming performance of the XPS line, they tout the fact that you can multitask. Gamers don't care about multitasking. They care about one task and one task only: playing games.
Again, if Dell wants to market the XPS line as sort of a high-end everyman computer, that's fine. But that's never been their stated goal. This was the line intended to garner them street cred, the "top-down" approach where the real hardcore users will spend that extra money and then tell all their friends how great Dell is.
This strategy is ass-backwards if that is their goal. They should be touting how lean their systems are, not how many things you can do at once. They should be touting how many frames per second you can get running the latest games, not how you can encode music while you're playing. These are things that appeal to mainstream users, not the high-end, hardcore users Dell is trying to attract.
Great Expectations... (Score:2, Insightful)
I think what bothers me most here is the examples given, playing a game while encoding audio, playing a game while running a virus scan. I'm certain the dual core processor will keep your simultaneous CD ripping and virus scanning from interrupting your rousing game of solitaire but don't expect to be playing Doom 3 during these activities with any processor.
That's right, any processor. Reason? The main bottleneck for these activities isn't generally the processor, it's the other hardware involved.
You can't, for example, encode a CD any faster than the CD drive can read its data and load it into memory. This, of course, raises another question: Who the hell encodes audio while playing a game? Most games require some kind of optical media in the drive in order to play, so chances are pretty slim that you'll be doing any encoding while playing a game in the first place.... Unless of course you use a no-CD patch, which is a gross violation of the EULA, and only pirates do that! (please note sarcasm) I'd even be tempted to ask them if they are endorsing EULA violation, I'm sure the response would be pretty funny.
And virus scanning... firstly, not nearly as important as everyone thinks it is. I don't get an HIV test every week because I don't go putting myself in situations where I can contract HIV. Likewise, I don't compulsively virus scan my personal computer because I protect myself from getting infected in the first place.
Furthermore, both games and virus scanning are pretty hard-drive intensive. Unless you've got some kind of crazy dual-arm hard drive, chances are you're going to get a lot of disk thrashing if you try to play UT2004 while running McAffee.
It's almost as though the marketing department at Dell has a hat full of those magnets with words printed on them and they just toss a few at a blackboard when it comes time to write a new ad.
Re:60GB HD? (Score:2, Insightful)
Tits (Score:1, Insightful)
I am sorry, but the name of the submitter stole the show
Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)
I have an Athlon X2, and yes, alt-tabbing is snappy. However, since my 2 gig of RAM had to be returned and I'm temporarily down to 1 gig, alt-tabbing out of games is noticably less snappy.
Basically, the snappiness is down to the amount of RAM - if you have to swap the game out and the desktop and other apps back in, then it'll crawl, regardless of how many processors you have. If not, then a single processor will still manage snappy tabs.
Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Have they removed the Dell spyware and malware (Score:2, Insightful)