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It Does Little and Not Very Well 318

wiredog writes "A Washington Post (frryyy) review of the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, a handheld Linux device. The reviewer complains about the lack of keyboard, poor WiFi implementation, outdated software, non-standard memory card, and almost as many crashes as an unpatched Win98 install."
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It Does Little and Not Very Well

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  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:24AM (#15142332)


    From TFA:
    Its biggest flaw is the keyboard that Nokia left out. You can enter text only by tapping a tightly packed on-screen keyboard, with help from an automatic word-completion option, or by taking your chances with handwriting recognition that's either ploddingly slow or wildly inaccurate. That alone should sink anything built for constant Web and e-mail use.
    This latest failure underscores once again the main problem with miniaturization...that while we can continue to make things smaller and smaller, their interfaces (input - keyboard/mouse, output - screen/speakers) must remain large enough to be useful, and the larger, the better. Even if you totally discount other problems like removable data storage, the main problem of user interfaces will continue to stand in the way of true miniaturization.

    I'm still wondering why we haven't seen a personal data device marketed with either a roll-up or projected keyboard, fingertip mouse, and VR glasses? Freed of these constraints, the device itself could easily be made small enough to be wearable.
  • For those who were wondering - yes, the summary is a troll. For those who missed it:
    and almost as many crashes as an unpatched Win98 install.
    1) Since when was their a patch for Win98 that stopped it from crashing? (apart from this patch) [ubuntu.com]

    2) And - the review did not mention the O/S crashing - just applications crashing. Linux is not the problem here.

    Anyway, on to the meat:

    Nokia's 770 platform is only just starting. [newsforge.com] The 770 is available for retail sale, but not really intended for the general public.

    There's an upcoming release [nokia.com] of the linux derived O/S it runs (in 2006) and Nokia are actively courting developers. (including discounts for gnome hackers) [linuxdevices.com]

    I say kudos to nokia - they're (as the review shows) releasing a cool bit of hardware kit and they're going to let the software developement community (both free, open & proprietary) fill in lots of gaps. I hope it works out.

    Oh - and rereading the review - it appears the reviewer's "biggest complaint" was the lack of keyboard. That's what seperates a tablet from a tiny laptop retard
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:34AM (#15142423)
    Oh - and rereading the review - it appears the reviewer's "biggest complaint" was the lack of keyboard.

    I'll tell you what -- I use a fairly excellent mobile device for my daily needs (it has basically replaced my need for a laptop and I rarely use my desktop). The biggest draw is that it has a full Qwerty keyboard that, while being very small, I can easily use to communicate easily.

    If I'm going to move to a device like the Nokia 770, I would *expect* that it have a hidden/retractable keyboard that I could easily use when I wasn't just pointing and clicking on links or scribbling a quick note.

    If no keyboard is what seperates a tablet from the rest of the exceptional mobile devices out there these days (including my Sidekick) then I'll stick with what I have and wait for EDGE/wifi support.
  • by N7DR ( 536428 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:35AM (#15142429) Homepage
    I have seen several reviews of the N770 that for the most part come down "this device is no goo because it doesn't do X", for some value of X that the reviewer seemed to think vital.

    All I can say is that I finally saw one of these about three weeks ago, and immediately (as in, next day) went to CompUSA and bought one. I love it. It does exactly what I want, and the only complaint I have is the lack of software -- but that will be quickly solved as the community ports apps to it. www.maemo.org is very active.

    So it does what I want, and I think it's great. Obviously, if it doesn't do what you want, you'll think it's awful/pointless/a waste of money.

    It has replaced my Zaurus (and has the added benefit that the form factor is almost identical to the Zaurus, so I can even use the same case for the N770).

  • by spiritraveller ( 641174 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:35AM (#15142431)
    The 770 is available for retail sale, but not really intended for the general public.

    If you sell it to the general public, then you are intending that they will buy it.

    The fact that it is open source should NEVER be an excuse for putting out a buggy retail product.
  • by monoqlith ( 610041 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:35AM (#15142433)
    Miniaturization is a problem, but it seems mostly for people trying to make many-purpose devices like these ones. It's not as difficult to build a very usable, very tiny interface on something that only performs one or a few specialized functions, such as the iPod or a cell phone. Trying to make a productivity tool, however, requires some ingenious compromise of size and functionality. Make it too small with two few buttons, it's too hard and not worthwhile for people to pick it up and learn. Make it too big with too many and it ceases to be truly portable.

    I've thought about this for awhile and for the life of me I can't seem to come up with a compelling way of making a small, multi-purpose interface with a dealable learning curve. For these devices to succeed they have to be amenable to absolute manipulation in the same way that standard, non-digital physical objects are, and that's a mighty challenge that I don't think anyone has been able to succeed at to date.
  • Easy to fix (Score:2, Insightful)

    by perdelucena ( 455667 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:40AM (#15142467) Homepage
    Just plugin a thin USB or bluetooth keyboard and the problem is solved. Next question, please.
  • by Otter ( 3800 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:42AM (#15142488) Journal
    And - the review did not mention the O/S crashing - just applications crashing. Linux is not the problem here.

    Read down to:

    The Nokia 770 takes longer to boot up than some desktop computers (nearly a minute) and offers battery life no longer than that of many laptops (4 1/4 hours of nearly continuous browsing). In two weeks of testing, it locked up and spontaneously rebooted more often than any computer I've used in that time.
    Admittedly, that comes after multiple problems of applications crashing separately, which is why you may have missed it.

    I say kudos to nokia - they're (as the review shows) releasing a cool bit of hardware kit and they're going to let the software developement community (both free, open & proprietary) fill in lots of gaps. I hope it works out.

    Oh, yeah -- this is fantastic! It may be buggy and useless as it's currently sold, but the important thing is that they're giving discounts to GNOME developers who will hopefully then fix it for them! I'd better buy one right now!

  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:44AM (#15142504)
    What I want to know is why nobody has made a 1-2lb, 8-12" screen, convertible tablet with the power of a PDA instead of a laptop (and the cost to match). Not everyone who wants a portable tablet needs it to be fast too, or has $3000 to spend on it!
  • Re:Easy to fix (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MankyD ( 567984 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:51AM (#15142556) Homepage
    Just plugin a thin USB or bluetooth keyboard and the problem is solved. Next question, please.
    That completely defeats the purpose of having a single portable device that you can carry with you. Next thing, you'll be telling me I have to carry a keyboard, mouse, printer, speakers, ethernet cable, portable optical drive, usb hard drive and a power cord. This is one of those things that is supposed to "just work".
  • by un1xl0ser ( 575642 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @11:52AM (#15142561)
    This is really cool, but to quote one of your links -- "Until a vector map solution is available, GPS use on the Nokia 770 tablet will be recreatonal at best." That about sums it up. The size is right for that, the on-screen keyboard can be changed, lots of things can be fixed ... but until there is either a free or non-free vector based GPS solution, it will just be a toy.

    This is worth looking at:
    http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster [linuxadvocate.org]
  • Well Newtons haven't been updated in 8 years [wikipedia.org] and we're still waiting [eweek.com] for something different...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17, 2006 @12:05PM (#15142656)
    keyboard? get a bluetooth keyboard.

    Doesn't that defeat the whole portability thing?

    crashing? dont load mega-websites on a machine with sixty-four megs of ram. lots of sites work fine.

    You have to be kidding me. If this were a review for a pc running windoze, you'd be all "that os sucks". How about the manufacturer creating a device that can gracefully handle situations that exceed it's capacity. Not loading (or fully loading) web pages is one thing, crashing and locking up are totally unacceptable when you are using the device for it's main purpose.

    does little? there are tons of emerging third party apps emerging...

    That's nice, one day it may have useful stuff. I hear M$ has tons of security enhancements to Windoze emerging too.

    most useful third party app on the seven-seventy is fbreader.

    That's great if you want, yet another, portable ebook reader. Pretty useless if not.

    another useful app is the xterminal.

    Now there is something that is useful. Though with the lack of kb, it's true usefulness is lacking. That and other products do the exact same thing.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17, 2006 @12:36PM (#15142871)
    I don't understand why these new approaches always come in two flavors: straight alphabet (which I abhor) or a QWERTY keyboard twisted to fit. QWERTY is fine, but does that layout really translate directly to this design? The most important keys are going to be the same, but you don't have eight fingers resting on them at all times with this design. I just imagine that, if you're going to reinvent the keyboard anyway, there is a probably a more efficient way to arrange the keys as well, rather than forcing straight-keyboard QWERTY into your design.

    I realize they do this so people can find the keys (and so their product will be more likely to be adopted) but since this is all software anyway, surely it would not be difficult to provide the new design and offer a QWERTY layout as an option.
  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @01:04PM (#15143080)
    Oh, I'm sorry, I should have clarified: tiny tablets with keyboards that don't cost an arm and a leg. I want something about the size of the X41 (or a little smaller), but I also need a sub-$1000 price, and would be happy to accept PDA-level power (instead of laptop-level) to get it.

    Also, the Toshiba is an example of a big tablet, not a tiny one!
  • by Russ Nelson ( 33911 ) <slashdot@russnelson.com> on Monday April 17, 2006 @01:12PM (#15143137) Homepage
    Nokia is very new at this and it will take the organization several years until they get the hang of it;

    The bad thing is that Nokia had access to a perfectly fine platform: Familiar Handhelds.org Linux. The good thing is that Nokia has hired the team that did Familiar in the first place, so hopefully there will be a merge between Familiar and Maemo in the future.
  • VUI (Score:4, Insightful)

    by zogger ( 617870 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @01:12PM (#15143139) Homepage Journal
    It would about have to come from a voice interface then. One that worked. A bluetooth or wired headset and just...talk to the machine. Then it could be small.

    I so much agree on the tiny, I detest having to go get new cell phones, it has gotten to the point I can barely use them they have gotten so small. All this new really small stuff is designed with young humans with tiny fingers and great eyes in mind it appears. It doesn't matter how tiny the device is if you just can't use the thing, doesn't matter how many features it has if you can't see the screen or manipulate the buttons.

    Note to hardware companies-look around the western world, the population with a lot of disposable income is neither real young nor do they have great eyes. Stiff fingers/arthritis and bifocals are *common*. You want those folks business, keep that in mind when you are designing stuff. These companies are telling folks who think nothing of dropping 100 grand on an RV that their market segment isn't worth releasing products designed with them in mind. Pretty much a huge missed business opportunity there near as I can see..with my bifocals. Keep saying FU to that market and it will reply in kind. Cater to it, you *might* get some bizznezz...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17, 2006 @01:20PM (#15143194)

    This guy's a genius, debunking Mac fanboi trolls. He should be an editor.

    --
    Trolling all trolls since 2001.
  • by eonlabs ( 921625 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @01:38PM (#15143307) Journal
    what if we took a look at the design for a gameboy. The hand held videogame systems, although reasonably large, seem to be very comfortable for doing a variety of input commands. There's always the option of using the back of the device for input. Nobody seems to do that.
  • Good for tinkerers (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jfenwick ( 961674 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @02:17PM (#15143559)
    This guy [blogspot.com] seems to like his a lot. It's a blog dedicated to his experiences with the Nokia 770. He's used at as part of a robot, as a GPS in his car, and even managed to connect to the internet through his cellphone with bluetooth, despite the fact that some people think you can't. It's all a matter of it you have the time to spend messing with it to get it to do what you want. Unfortunately, I really don't think it suits my needs out of the box, since what I really need is a pda that has a calendar, wifi, and works on Linux. The Zaurus seems like it would fit that role, but I have no way of trying one out since Sharp stopped making them in the US, so I really don't know if it would fit my needs.
  • by dspyder ( 563303 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @03:28PM (#15144071)
    All you bashers (reviewer included), please tell me what $400 alternative is out there that has WiFi and Bluetooth and some kind of mass-storage device? Battery life has to be greater than a laptop, so let's say 4-5 hours. Keyboard preferred, but if there's a workable alternative that would be fine. Screen must be landscape for viewing web pages (so rule out your ipaq's and palms and most cellphones). I think Nokia got the concept, design, and price right... they just missed on the keyboard and the application & connectivity reliability. If they come out with an attachable thumboard (bluetooth or otherwise) and they provide patches for the OS and the apps, I'll definitely buy one. --D
  • by TheNetAvenger ( 624455 ) on Monday April 17, 2006 @03:28PM (#15144075)
    Since when was their a patch for Win98 that stopped it from crashing?

    Not to nit pick or to even suggest a defense of Win98, but it was fairly stable for the OS it was, not having a kernel like NT.

    Win98 and mainstream applications is pretty crash free. The problem with Win98 is that it, even more than Win2k or WinXP lets third party software screw with the system, and due to the nature of the Win9X kernel technology, there is no protect from bad applications, from protecting system files to not fully controlling errant memory allocation in the driver mechanism.

    If you have a Win98 machine and it is crashing, you have crap third party apps, or a crap driver.

    Now for WinME, it was just bad software and is one of the few mainstream OSes our labs ever worked with that could drop to a crawl and crash from a base installation using MS controlled drivers and MS applications. (WinME tried to jam in some new stuff and didn't take time to work it out, nor did MS have the foresight to rip some of these features when they realized the Win9X kernel could not efficiently handle the new features. - A feature like system restore just did not work well when it wasn't sitting on a solid NT kernel, and in WinXP is an elegant feature in comparison.)

    Now in regard to the article, people shouldn't take it either way, it is not a bash of Linux nor a bash of portable PCs. Believe it or not Linux is not perfect, and on a non well tested port, there are going to be bugs, it happens. Just like WinCE was a variant of the NT kernel, yet the early versions crashed.

    Consider this growing pains for Linux, and see it as a good thing. Also consider this as growing pains for the small PC format. Even the new WindowsXP based systems will show the same complaints and even if it was 100% crash free, apps are going to crash, there will be hardware failures, it will be too warm for some people, the screen will be too tiny for a lot of people.

    You can't please everyone with products like this, it is just Linux is the name on it taking part of the wrap.

    I noticed posts above that talked about the need for keyboards and how they won't ever work in these formats, etc etc... There are a LOT of portable technologies that are still not cost effective, but out there and being refinded. From a projected keyboard with motion and video sensors to see what the person is typing, to gloves, etc.

    Display technologies are also getting there, and the screen on these unit will come to a point they disappear. Look for low power projectors to display the device on a wall or seat, and we all know about LCD glasses, and even Retinal Laser Displays that will let use use glasses or a peep hole into super tiny devices.

    The current units DO fit the CURRENT needs, and as the technology continues to mature, will disappear into wearable full blown computing. PDAs with lower powered OSes are over, and we will continue to see some growing pains, but we have pretty much made the jump as this product and others are demonstrating.

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