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Vista May Put Anti-Spyware Companies Out 392

Ant wrote to mention a C|Net article with an interesting premise: Windows Vista's tough approach to spyware may put anti-spyware companies out of business. From the article: "While this may be good news for buyers of Vista, it is not for anyone who makes a living from selling anti-spyware software. The worldwide market has boomed recently, reaching $97 million in revenue in 2004, up 240.4 percent from a year earlier, according to IDC. However, companies such as Webroot Software and Sunbelt Software are in for tough times, analysts said."
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Vista May Put Anti-Spyware Companies Out

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  • Who broke my window? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Realistic_Dragon ( 655151 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @06:34PM (#14949617) Homepage
    This is known as the Browk Window theory in Economics - that is, by running around breaking windows I create work for glaziers.

    In actual fact were the windows not being broken the resources could be put to better use elsewhere - the time of the labourer and the money spent could be used to grow the economy rather than in the mantainance of existing infrastructure which is an activity that adds zero to the bottom line.

    In this case not needing spyware companies will allow the workers and the capital emplyed to go and do something more efficent, in economic terms... such as innovating new and better spyware, seeing as how well Microsoft's other security related announcements have worked out :)
  • by richdun ( 672214 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @06:56PM (#14949728)
    You sound like a bitter Frenchman...

    But true. The only sure protection is to build something that cannot be circumvented because of some law of physics. Software-driven systems will probably never reach this point. We just have to educate people to be safe enough that only the most inventive criminals can get in (and make it so that people understand how to be safe, not just install X because it will "protect" me from Y). It's just like common sense in anything else - know where not to go, what not to do, and if you are unsure, don't do it.
  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @07:12PM (#14949799) Journal
    As for Windows security, I honestly think there should be exceptions of what Microsoft can bundle or not to maintain a good security. Yes, one can joke all day about security problems requiring tools like these in the first place, but Windows is a common OS, a huge hacker target, and now that this is the situation, I think MS should be allowed to include these kind of tools as an exception to software competition regulations.

    I really don't mind if Microsoft would similarly put Windows antivirus companies "out of business" either. Yes, sucks to be them, but security is among the most important aspects of an operating system, and as important to me when I use an OS as basically the GUI itself.
  • Re:...well... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @07:24PM (#14949853)
    But MS made the crap code that allowed spyware to work in the first place. It's all rather Mafia-esque, really:

    1. Write crap code that people buy anyway because you're a monopoly
    2. PROFIT!!
    3. Wait for spyware makers to exploit your crap code
    4. Write anti-spyware software, and sell it at extra cost
    5. Use your monopoly to give your anti-spyware program an unfair marketing advantage over 3rd-party equivalents (again)
    6. PROFIT AGAIN, because the users more-or-less have to fork out the "protection money."

    And there is no "???" step.

  • Re:...well... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Pneuma ROCKS ( 906002 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @07:54PM (#14949991) Homepage

    This is a sample of what I meant (first result from Google): http://www.esecurityplanet.com/views/article.php/3 586511 [esecurityplanet.com]. More specifically the promise of spam disappearing entirely.

    each version of windows, was more stable and more reliable and more secure than the last one

    I agree with you, in general. As I said, I know (hope?) Vista will be more stable than XP, which is already very stable and secure. But it is very unlikely, probably unfeasible for a Windows release to be spyware-free, even with (or despite having) Microsoft security tools being part of the OS. Never underestimate opportunists looking for money and human ignorance.

    Hope this clears things up.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 18, 2006 @08:37PM (#14950170)
    Most of us just read slashdot for the humor value. Its hilarious seeing you dolts pretend you are all tech geniouses, when slashdot is in fact one of the largest collection of complete and utter morons on the internet.

    And we're not evil, I just don't have a problem making money off of other people's stupidity. They could easily fix their stupidity, but they choose not to. Not my problem.
  • Re:...well... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kimvette ( 919543 ) on Saturday March 18, 2006 @11:28PM (#14950627) Homepage Journal
    Well this would also be true if the majority of the market switched to OS/X, Linux, BSD, or other alternative operating systems instead. . . or even switched from MSIE to Firefox or Opera en masse.

    Whatever the case, AntiVirus and AntiSpyware companies should not look at solving an insecure OS's problems as a permanent business - it is a very lucrative short-to-mid term business strategy, and the out should be something like video games or productivity apps in the long term. Diversification is the key to long-term survival, ESPECIALLY when the target market is Windows, and Microsoft has shown time and again that they stab partners in the back, and if it goes to court, Microsoft wins all too often, and when they do lose, they don't get much more than a token slap on the wrist. Wait, not a even a slap on the wrist, just a frownie sticker. Remember the Stacker fiasco where Microsoft misappropriated Stacker code, and stabbed Stac Electronics in the back?
  • Re:...well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by killjoe ( 766577 ) on Sunday March 19, 2006 @12:20AM (#14950762)
    "There's nothing that Windows (or Linux, or OS X, *BSD, Solaris, etc) can do to prevent me from installing stuff if I have the admin (or root) password."

    Sure there is, it's called DRM. Granted it won't be used for this purpose but it would work.

    Imagine this.

    Your computer is set to only install programs that are signed by some authority. FOr the sake of argument let's assume the authority is the debian foundation. After this the OS will not install anything that hasn't been signed by the debian foundation for debian stable and presumably they have tested everything in their distribution. Voila, no more spyware.

    Same could be done with MS, Apple, etc. Of course a programmer would be much more likely to trust debian then MS but those are political issues that need to be sorted out. Technically it's easy to prevent viruses and spyware.
  • Re:...well... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jinxidoru ( 743428 ) on Sunday March 19, 2006 @06:03AM (#14951383) Homepage
    Realize that the article didn't say that Microsoft Vista was going to put spyware out of business. Rather, it will put anti-spyware software out of business. It's true that spyware will continue to take on new forms. But Vista will probably be updated to handle these new forms in the same way that the current anti-spyware software is constantly being updated. So the question is not whether Vista can beat the spyware companies; it's a question of whether Vista can beat the anti-spyware companies. It's kind of like the old saying that if you and a friend are being chased by a wolf, you only need to be faster than your friend.

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