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Broadband Bits 143

rtphokie writes "In an article covering bringing wireless and high speed internet connectivity several rural counties near Fredericksburg, VA, a county commissioner comments that transportation issues were once considered the top issue in economic development discussion, now it's the lack of high-speed Internet." Reader Darmok0685 writes "UGO has an interesting feature that explores the future of broadband, with in-depth sections that explore such technologies as Broadband Over Power Lines, WiMax, Fiber to the Home, Stratellite, and ADSL2/ADSL2+. It delves into the pros and cons, as well as giving backgrounds on each."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 30, 2004 @05:49PM (#10674930)
    Rivernet charges so much because it is a true connect to the internet, with all the benefits.
    Such as a public IP and being able to run servers.

    Verizon will give you 192.168.15.34 and tell you to like it.

    I think the japanese can do that because of the size and density of their country. Also the content they read/view day to day is close.

    I doubt they can download a file from the USA at 19mb/s.
  • by spicy salsa ( 826249 ) on Saturday October 30, 2004 @05:50PM (#10674940)
    "Verizon has begun an ambitious rollout of fiber optics to businesses and residences with the deployment of 440,000 feet of cabling in suburban Dallas. The carrier this week announced that it is about halfway through the build-out of a fiber-to-the-premises (FTTP) network to every home and business in Keller, Texas, a city of 25,000. When completed, Verizon will string 1.2 million feet of fiber through Keller." "Verizon reiterated plans to pass about 1 million homes in nine states with FTTP by the end of the year. Earlier this year, analysts stated expectations that Verizon would fall short of that goal by about 200,000 to 300,000 homes, reportedly due to problems with initial equipment shipments from vendor AFC." http://www.nwfusion.com/edge/news/2004/0519foa.htm l [nwfusion.com]

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  • by ir0b0t ( 727703 ) * <mjewell.openmissoula@org> on Saturday October 30, 2004 @05:57PM (#10674976) Homepage Journal
    The article has an interesting comparison between transportation and wireless access as economic development issues. Are the two really that similar?

    A highway does enable more commerce to and from an area. Are there studies that demonstrate that broadband access results in economic growth even in rural areas?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 30, 2004 @06:00PM (#10674988)
    The problem is the home users want to pay next to nothing.

    You have to study telco history to see they have some typical configs. DS0, DS1, DS3, OC3, OC12, and up. this is what telco knows. This is the gear they buy and runs a lot of the USA.

    They could have priced T1s (DS1) a lot cheaper back in the day and owned us all. They (verizon) could have offered SDSL long ago, and failed. The telcos are to blame.

    So the laws changed and in come the CLECs. well we are growing and have some big plans. We start small by running our own fiber to the CO.

    But soon you have whole towns/cities approaching you to do these deals because verizon wont.

    that is the critical turning point. they will pay you to build it and maintain it.
  • Predictions for 2010 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Saturday October 30, 2004 @06:12PM (#10675039) Homepage Journal
    6 years ago, cable internet was rare and DSL still wasn't available in many urban areas. The 56/53k modem standard was new.

    6 years from now, most people in urban areas will get 1+Mbps connectivity through their existing phone lines or through cable TV, much as they to today. The main difference will be a higher maximum bandwidth along with lower-costs for today's 0.5-5Mbps bandwidth.

    I'm guessing 10-30% of the population will have access to and pay for "very high bandwidth" of > 30Mbps for internet with the balance for other services, probably through fiber-to-the-curb or fiber-to-the-street, shared by a few dozen subscribers at most. These customers will mostly be "converged" customers, with voice, data, television, and who knows what else riding on the fiber.

    Amost all semi-rural areas and non-DSL-equipped urban areas that aren't well-connected today will have SOME option for 1+Mbps connectivity besides satellite. Whether this is airship, "wi-max," extended-distance DSL, or something else, I don't know.

    There will always be areas that are "too expensive to reach" by land or even by 30-mile-range radio signals. These customers will likely be stuck with satellite or (gasp!) dialup unless something better or cheaper comes along.

    How fast do you need to watch a DVD movie in real time? 9GB=72Gb, 2 hours=7200 seconds, that's about 10Mbps. Double that to be on the safe side.
  • by AsnFkr ( 545033 ) on Saturday October 30, 2004 @06:26PM (#10675111) Homepage Journal
    Its funny, I live in Fredericksburg Va and work for a computer shop that tried our damned hardest to offer excellent DSL service to a number of these rural areas. In many cases we found the technology is in the ground and users can in fact get DSL, but Verizon is not willing to "flip the switch" unless there is a huge demand in the particular area. We successfully offered DSL through Verizons lines on our bandwidth for over a year to these people without a problem. All of a sudden Verizon started undercutting us (ie selling to the USER cheaper than they would sell to us) in order to muscle us off their lines so they could take over the market in the area. On top of that any sort of tech support we would need from Verizon concerning their lines would get shrugged to the side and we would end up with understandably angry customers at us, although we had no way to solve the issues. We eventually pulled out of the market all together and went back to just repair/custom builds. The fucked up part is a lot of people that are still in smaller areas ended up getting their service disconnected when we pulled out and now Verizon is telling them that it is technically impossible to carry DSL to their homes even though they had it just a few weeks ago. I happen to be one of those customers, but luckily can get a cable modem...which by the way is half the price.

    Moral of the story is a lot of rural places CAN get broadband, but the recourses that can carry it aren't fessing up to honest answers about it.
  • by tukkayoot ( 528280 ) on Saturday October 30, 2004 @08:07PM (#10675674) Homepage
    I can't see what's wrong with the current situation. If you want broadband, you can get it pretty much wherever.

    No, you can't.

    Unless by "pretty much anywhere" you're including huge stretches of inhabited (albeit rural) land throughout the country, or unless you consider satellite Internet a legitimate form of broadband (which I don't think it is... I haven't talked to a single person who's bought into satellite Internet who doesn't regret it).

    I built a 60 foot tower on my property to receive fixed wireless "broadband" (386 kbps) service and it's extremely flaky (sometimes it works fine, often it doesn't work at all, or I timeout a lot.... I think I need a 70 or 80 foot tower). I'm paying double, triple or quadruple what a lot of people are paying for DSL or cable.

    Nothing is wrong with all of this, if you don't consider broadband an important aspect of the national communications infrastructure. If you do think that broadband availability in rural areas should be much better than it is, then the government certainly does have a role to play. Not necessarily running the whole show, but perhaps in mandating improved broadband coverage, paying for part of it and implementing better regulation or deregulation of the industry.

  • by NardofDoom ( 821951 ) on Saturday October 30, 2004 @08:26PM (#10675799)
    Take a small town in the coal region of Pennsylvania. The only industry has gone, and the town is becoming poorer, older, and more depressed. Anyone who wants a high-tech job is moving somewhere closer to a major city. The schools are underfunded, and kids move away as soon as they graduate. There's no broadband because Verizon or Comcast have determined it's not profitable for them to supply the town.

    Now put in a FTTH system, where people can get 10Mb fiber connections with a static IP for $15/month per residence or $40/month per business connection.

    Businesses move in because land is cheap, and they can do business just as effectively as if they were in New York or Philadelphia. People move in because housing is cheap and they can telecommute to their jobs three days a week. The schools benefit from all kids and parents able to be online, allowing them to check progress through a school portal.

    Sound far fetched? It's not. It happened in Lock Haven, PA.

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