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Verizon Announces FTTP Prices 384

ffejie writes "C|NET News.com is reporting that Verizon has announced its pricing on Fiber-to-the-Premises - it 'will cost $35 a month if purchased along with Verizon's local and long-distance telephone service', and more if bought on its own. The high speed internet service, dubbed Verizon Fios, brings speeds up to 30 Mbps to the home. FTTP could lead to a sweeping change, especially in the television industry. According to News.com: 'Verizon is considered the furthest along with its fiber plans. It reiterated on Monday its goal of reaching 1 million homes and offices by the end of the year...' It looks as if FTTP is coming to the masses."
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Verizon Announces FTTP Prices

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  • Business class... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by NeoSkandranon ( 515696 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:34PM (#9740986)
    I wonder how badly they'll rape businesses for the same class of service? ( thought triggered by another poster's mention of 210$ for business DSL)
  • Humbug (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jahf ( 21968 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:35PM (#9740991) Journal
    I can't get *DSL capabilities from Qwest or Cable modems where I live ... and Verizon isn't anywhere near my area ... I would guess that for most people FTTP is WAY far out in the future, if it happens at all.

    I'd definitely pay for it ... hell I'd double that ... but I don't presume to see it.
  • by l33t-gu3lph1t3 ( 567059 ) <arch_angel16 AT hotmail DOT com> on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:38PM (#9741022) Homepage
    This FTTP setup sounds great - but realise they're talking about fiber to the *HOME*. You want business usage? Static IP? Be prepared to pay out the @$$ for it just like with any other business ISP.
  • by G27 Radio ( 78394 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:39PM (#9741032)
    People bring this up everytime some company announces a large-scale rollout of high-speed like this. My guess is the same thing will happen this time. Their customers will have 30Mbps to the home, but will only see that kind of speed on things cached close by, and get the same speed as the rest of us broadband users on everything else. That is, until the backbones are upgraded. I don't think we'll see the backbones "suffer" though.

  • by Ath ( 643782 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:39PM (#9741037)
    They may "rape" one part of their business (i.e. the $210/mo subscriber) but if they get an additional 10 people who were not going to sign up because of the pricing, then they are way ahead. Excess bandwidth generates $0.
  • sounds good... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by aberant ( 631526 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:40PM (#9741050) Homepage Journal
    Having done tech support for ADSL i'm always hesitant about phone companies offering new technology. I wonder how long after someone gets it, that they realize all the hidden fees and other random charges making it much more then advertised. But then again, with all that dark fiber lying around allready, who knows? I'll still prolly sign up for it if i can to avoid that silly upstream cap on cable modems.. 8)
  • 30mbps? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:43PM (#9741083)
    the minimum uplink would have to be at LEAST 2 megabits for it to be usable. this is the dead of T-1.
  • by Vellmont ( 569020 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:45PM (#9741099) Homepage
    I think the key is that useage of the added capacity will grow more slowly. Sure some people will have p2p apps that soak up a lot of bandwidth, but the majority of people won't use up all that capacity right away. It'll take time for people to find uses for all the extra capacity. So at least in theory the growth of the backbones can happen more slowly.
  • by peragrin ( 659227 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:46PM (#9741119)
    That's like saying the entire internet runs at 56k just cause that's the speed the majority of us connect at.

    No If you have a 30Mbps net connection you will rarely use it to it's full strength for some time. Possibly if you are doing Video communications will you use it up. It's more than enough for a small business website. It's more than enough current tasks.

    As such ISP's will have time to upgrade the backbones to Internet II when it is needed.

    In the future though I see a single communication line coming into your home. Off of abox installed in your house will come TV, Internet, and video Phone. Possibly using interchanged monitors.
  • by the_bahua ( 411625 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:47PM (#9741135) Homepage Journal
    Yeah, I am always skeptical when I see deals like this. On the surface, it looks wonderful, except that I live in SBC territory. What I wonder is what kind of contracts there will be. I wonder if the service will require some kind of privacy outrage. I wonder if the service will have any kind of SLA, considering they seem to be aiming this at business and home office.

    I will watch this very closely, as I would love these kind of numbers, but I unfortunately don't think it'll be without more cost than the purported amount.
  • by Fulcrum of Evil ( 560260 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:48PM (#9741140)

    Why is it that Cable and Telcos always luanch these things in the middle of No place...

    When the inevitable FUBARs happen, there are less pissed off people and less stuff to fix. Then when they've worked out the deployment bugs, they can try a larger market.

  • vs Wiresless? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19, 2004 @04:50PM (#9741167)
    Why build an entire new fiber infrastructure when wireless speeds are doubling in speed and distance every two years? 802.16 is close to going into the public sector. I know it doesn't provide the speed of fiber yet but by the time they get these fiber runs completed, wireless will as fast or faster.. Plus, maintaining a few transmitters will cost hundreds of millions less than a miles of fiber cabling.. Providers in our area are already offering wireless Internet & Voice. Video wont be far behind..
  • by Mistah Blue ( 519779 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:00PM (#9741268)
    My personal opinion is that deregulating any sort of utility is bad. This includes the breakup of AT&T, electric deregulation, airline deregulation, etc. All of these companies price to the point where they are eating their young, so to speak. Are we really any better off? And before you go ranting about airline deregulation, my point of view is the weekly business traveler. I don't care about discount rates (although my company does to an extent) because all of my travel is to customer premises where I have to be there at a specific time (so I normally book full fare). I would rather have airelines that are financially healthy, and not cutting service to the bone.
  • by homer_ca ( 144738 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:01PM (#9741280)
    "$210 I currently pay for my 3Mbps/1Mbps small business connection"

    Are there any restrictions on your small business service like running servers or reselling service? Residential broadband service has those restrictions plus upstream bandwidth is shared with other customers. You know it's shared and oversubscribed because they reserve the right to disconnect bandwidth hogs. That $210 is a third the price of a T1. With that you usually get a block of 15 IPs and no restrictions on servers, reselling service, or monthly usage caps.
  • by Saeed al-Sahaf ( 665390 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:05PM (#9741324) Homepage
    First, I don't like this bundling of services. I want lockin in one area to constrain my choice.

    Yes of course. This is obvious. But remember that Verizon is out there as a publicly traded company to make money. So while "lockin" may not be so hot for you if you like to shop a la carte, it is a necessary evil if you want to big for-profit company to pay for the infrastructure.

  • by Moofie ( 22272 ) <lee@@@ringofsaturn...com> on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:15PM (#9741414) Homepage
    So as long as your needs are being met, the rest of us can go fuck off?

    I would rather have airlines that have to compete in a marketplace, evolving their business models to the most efficient ones possible. That's what a free market is for.

    Airlines aren't de-regulated. You're not allowed to fly from Love Field on Southwest to a state not contiguous with Texas, because of a thirty year old law against healthy airline competition.

    I say if American Airlines is in such bad financial straits, let Southwest take them over and run them profitably.
  • by cmacb ( 547347 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:17PM (#9741433) Homepage Journal
    "In the future though I see a single communication line coming into your home. Off of abox installed in your house will come TV, Internet, and video Phone. Possibly using interchanged monitors."

    Right!

    And the game to watch is which of your existing services falls by the wayside. The DSL/Cable battle is just the first round. First company to put fiber in my house wins!

    Next phase will be to eliminate current ridiculous bandwidth restrictions on servers because it will be more trouble to measure than the accounting costs are worth. Everyone can finally host their own unrestricted internet server. A lot of the smaller hosting companies will be put out of our misery by this and the only companies remaining will be those that need a room full of equipment to handle the demands of the large, popular domains, Google, MS, Yahoo and the like.

    Net-centric computing will have finally arrived, and it will no longer be worth saving video, music, or even your own spreadsheet and text files on your local hard drive as they can be instantly downloaded from a server somewhere that is getting backed up regularly. In other words, current hosting companies will have the chance to transition from points of presence to storage, archiving, and application server facilities.

    This will all demand an end to the nonsense of operating systems which can be easily hacked into. Microsoft will replace the Windows underpinnings transparently with something that is standards based (probably BSD variant), but Linux will continue to thrive for those who want to have complete control over what they do with their own hardware.

    As the rest of the world tries to copy the connectivity nirvana achieved here in the US the world will enter a new era of peace and prosperity, except that all help-desk call centers the world over will still transfer to someplace in India...

    And then I woke up.
  • by LesPaul75 ( 571752 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @05:58PM (#9741885) Journal
    30 Mbps is like having a hundred thousand 300 baud modems!

    Hmmm... You know, that's actually an interesting milestone. It doesn't seem that long ago that I was actually using a 300 baud modem. This is a five-orders-of-magnitude increase in something like a decade and a half.
  • um.. no (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19, 2004 @06:17PM (#9742128)
    can you pump the equivalent of a hundred oc-192 circuits blended into one fibre line (not that we'll actually need that kind of bandwidth anytime soon) through an 802.16 link? no. fiber provides us with a long-lasting solution that has incredible bandwidth. and then there's the people who'd raise fits about high-power wireless crap beaming stuff around them and causing cancer like there's no tomorrow.
  • by Carnildo ( 712617 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @07:15PM (#9742772) Homepage Journal
    Sounds to me like the problem isn't the FTTH. I think the problem is the bankrupt telco.
  • by SlamMan ( 221834 ) on Monday July 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#9743967)
    I'm a freelance photographer. 128K up hurts.
  • by mollymoo ( 202721 ) on Tuesday July 20, 2004 @03:06AM (#9746111) Journal
    sorry, my hard drive is still gonna be faster than a network connection

    Are you sure? Gigabit ethernet is already faster than most hard drives sold today. You need a Raptor or a RAID array to beat it. And that's over copper.

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