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The Software Politics Of 2004's Presidential Race 417

mjamil writes "The NYT(free registration required) has an article talking about the polarized use of OSS in the building of campaign Web sites. Specifically, it states that the sites for John Kerry (Democratic candidate for President) and the Democratic National Committee are built using OSS, while the site for President Bush's re-election campaign uses IIS. Linus and ESR are quoted. It's an interesting look at how even presidential politics are no longer immune to the free software war (free as in beer)." (David Brunton, pictured in the article, wrote to say "Now I'm going to go call my mom... won't she be proud? For all those girl geeks and gay geeks out there, I'm already taken, but it is an awful nice picture, isn't it?")
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The Software Politics Of 2004's Presidential Race

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:48AM (#9612104)
    In a campaign season of polarization, when Republicans and Democrats seem far apart on issues like Iraq, the economy and leadership style, it is perhaps not surprising that the parties find themselves on different sides in the politics of software as well.

    The Web sites of Senator John Kerry and the Democratic National Committee run mainly on the technology of the computing counterculture: open-source software that is distributed free, and improved and debugged by far-flung networks of programmers.

    In the other corner, the Web sites of President Bush and the Republican National Committee run on software supplied by the corporate embodiment of big business - Microsoft.

    The two sides are defined largely by their approach to intellectual property. Fans of open-source computing regard its software as a model for the future of business, saying that its underlying principle of collaboration will eventually be used in pharmaceuticals, entertainment and other industries whose products are tightly protected by patents or copyrights.

    Many of them propose rewriting intellectual property laws worldwide to limit their scope and duration. The open-source path, they insist, should accelerate the pace of innovation and promote long-term economic growth. Theirs is an argument of efficiency, but also of a reshuffling of corporate wealth.

    Microsoft and other American companies, by contrast, have long argued that intellectual property is responsible for any edge the United States has in an increasingly competitive global economy. Craig Mundie, chief technical officer and a senior strategist at Microsoft, observed, "Whether copyrights, patents or trade secrets, it was this foundation in law that made it possible for companies to raise capital, take risks, focus on the long term and create sustainable business models."

    The dispute can take on a political flavor at times. David Brunton, who is a founder of Plus Three, a technology and marketing consulting company that has done much of the work on the Democratic and Kerry Web sites, regards open-source software as a technological expression of his political beliefs. Mr. Brunton, 28, a Harvard graduate, describes himself as a "very left-leaning Democrat." He met his wife, Lina, through politics; she is a staff member at the Democratic National Committee.

    His company's client list includes state Democratic parties in Ohio and Missouri, and union groups including the United Federation of Teachers and the parent A.F.L.-C.I.O. "The ethic of open source has pervaded progressive organizations," Mr. Brunton said.

    The corporate proponents of strong intellectual property rights say, in essence, that what is good for Microsoft, Merck and Disney is good for America. But they argue as well that the laws that protect them also protect the ideas of upstart innovators. They have made their case forcefully in Washington and before international groups, notably the World Intellectual Property Organization, a United Nations specialized agency.

    "This is a huge ideological debate and it goes way beyond software," said James Love, director of the Consumer Project on Technology, a nonprofit group affiliated with Ralph Nader that advocates less restrictive intellectual property rules.

    But the politics surrounding open-source software do not always fit neatly into party categories. The people who work on software like the Linux operating system, the Apache Web server and others are an eclectic bunch of technologists. "You'll find gun nuts along with total lefties," Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, said in an e-mail message.

    Still, those who find the cooperative, open-source ethos appealing tend most often to be libertarians, populists and progressives. Not surprisingly, open-source software was well represented in Howard Dean's Democratic presidential primary campaign, which so effectively used the Internet and Web logs in grass-roots organizing.

    Those open-source advocates will presumably find Senator Kerry more appeal
  • Re:free as in beer (Score:2, Informative)

    by Loonacy ( 459630 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:51AM (#9612121)
    Free as in beer = Free stuff! Take it! Use it! Don't PAY for it.

    Free as in speech = Freedom. You have the right to do this.
  • by levell ( 538346 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:52AM (#9612124) Homepage
    If you don't want to register at the Times you can go via this page [google.com].
  • Re:free as in beer (Score:5, Informative)

    by FireFury03 ( 653718 ) <slashdot&nexusuk,org> on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:52AM (#9612126) Homepage
    Its in the slashdot FAQ, but basically there are 2 types of "free" in the english language - free as in beer and freedom - the debate is always on as to the meaning of "free" software:

    Free as in beer - costs no money
    Freedom - no (or not many) restrictions on it. I.e. opensource software may be thought of as "free" because you are (usually) entitled to modify and redistribute the software to suit your purposes, so long as you follow some basic rules.
  • What Microsoft gives (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:53AM (#9612132)
    I guess it's good time to keep our eyes on what Microsoft gives [opensecrets.org] to political parties.
  • no registration link (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:54AM (#9612138)
    No registration link [nytimes.com]
  • by zhenlin ( 722930 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:04AM (#9612180)
    1998: 64% to the Republicans.
    2000: 53% to the Republicans.
    2002: 60% to the Republicans.
    2004: 42% to the Republicans.

    Hmm. General trend, downwards.
  • by gilroy ( 155262 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:17AM (#9612226) Homepage Journal
    Blockquoth the poster:

    What's the reasoning here? "Kerry's webserver runs teh linux, so if he wins he will destroy MS and the world will be happy and live as one with no more wars or fighting."

    It's a metaphor, son. One side in this race believes in unquestioned authority, tight control, sacrosanct wealth, and operation through secrets. Care to guess which? Hint: It runs as deep as the software they choose.

    Is this the sort of thing that makes a person vote one way or another? No, but it's all part of the gestalt.
  • Re:free as in beer (Score:5, Informative)

    by Big Nothing ( 229456 ) <tord.stromdal@gmail.com> on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:19AM (#9612234)
    "Free as in beer. Could someone please explain what this means. It comes up often and I don't get it."

    The word "free" can mean more than one thing in the english language. In order to explain the meaning of the word "free" you can append a short explanaition, such as "as in beer" or "as in speech".

    Free (as in beer) means that the product/service in question can be obtained/used without you having to pay money for it. This is perhaps the most common use of the word in the daily language.

    Free (as in speech) is a phrase only valid when discussing information. Free (as in speech) means that the information in question doesn't have a copyright restriction appended it (or similar).

    • A car can be free (as in beer). It cannot be free (as in speech).
    • A recorded song (for example an MP3-file) can be either free-as-in-beer (meaning that you don't have to pay any money for it) or free-as-in-speech (you are free to spread the song, to re-record the song, to perform the song, to play the song in public, etc).

    On slashdot, the most common subject of discussion is software. Just like a song, a software program can be free-as-in-beer, free-as-in-speech or both. The idea of OSS is that software should be free (as in speech), so that you are legally allowed to modify, complement, extend, etc. it.

    Just because a piece of software is free (as in speech) does not mean that it has no restrictions in how it can be handled. Examples of restrictions are:

    • The software can be freely spread, but not profited from (i.e. you have to give it away, or only charge for the cost you have for spreading it - say the cost of a CD-R and post stamp).
    • The software can be freely spread, but the original licence and creator information must always be spread with the software.
    • You are free to modify and sell the software for profit but you must always include the original source code.
    • You are free to modify and extend the software but any modifications you make must be publicly available under the same rules as the original code.
  • by nevets ( 39138 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:20AM (#9612240) Homepage Journal
    Hmmm, I actually remember it being the other way as you state it. GWB with IIS and Gore with Apache. Gore was the one to support the anti-trust case against MS while talking to the people at MS.
  • by Hungus ( 585181 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:23AM (#9612249) Journal
    Subject: Rating the Bush and Kerry Web sites on security
    Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:43:44 -0400
    From: Richard M. Smith <rms@computerbytesman.com>
    To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan@well.com>

    Hi,

    To rate George Bush and John Kerry on the Homeland Security issue, I just
    completed two quick security audits of the official Bush
    (http://www.georgewbush.com/) and Kerry (http://www.johnkerry.com/) campaign
    Web sites. Unfortunately, I found problems at both Web sites.

    Here are the results of my testing so far:

    1. Both the Bush and the Kerry Web sites have cross-site scripting errors
    (XSS). These errors can allow a prankster to create fake Web pages which
    load from the Bush or Kerry Web sites but additional content can be supplied
    from a different Web server belonging to a prankster. A prankster could
    then say anything they want on a Bush or Kerry Web page using a XSS error.
    Examples include fake news stories, slogans telling visitors to vote for the
    other candidate, and doctored photos of a candidate.

    2. Error trapping at the Kerry Web site isn't very good. Typing unusual
    characters into Web forms at the Kerry Web site causes Web server
    applications to fail and a visitor is shown very cryptic error pages. These
    problems might be a sign of SQL injection errors which can be quite serious.
    An SQL injection error can sometimes be used by an outsider to break into a
    backend database at a Web site and then to make off with private information
    from the database.

    3. The Bush Web site has hired a company called Omniture to track users at
    the Bush Web site. Omniture uses hidden Web bugs to do this tracking.
    Perhaps this Web site feature was requested by John Ashcroft? ;-) This
    relationship with Omniture is not spelled out in the Bush Web site privacy
    policy. For more about information about Omniture, check out their Web site
    at http://www.omniture.com/company.html.

    4. Both the Bush and Kerry Web sites encourage visitors to add banner ads
    for the candidates to their own Web pages. The Bush banner ad uses
    JavaScript supplied from the Bush Web server (See
    http://www.georgewbush.com/WStuff/BPAdFeed.a spx). The Kerry banner ads use
    an embedded IFRAME (See http://www.johnkerry.com/download/promos.html).
    B oth banner ad schemes allow the campaigns to track visitors to any Web
    pages where the banner ads appear. In addition, the Bush JavaScript scheme
    allows the Bush Web server to run any script code inside of other people's
    Web pages. This scheme doesn't strike me as a very good idea from a
    security standpoint.

    5. Both candidates have good Web site privacy policies. For some odd
    reason, the Kerry Web site privacy policy is also certified by Truste and
    BBBOnline.

    6. It appears that the open source vs. closed source debate has also
    entered the presidential campaign. The Kerry home page comes from an Apache
    Web server running on a Red Hat Linux box. The Bush Web site on the other
    hand is hosted on a more corporate Microsoft-powered IIS 5.0 server and uses
    ASP.NET. I did not check to see if this IIS server is up to date with
    Microsoft security patches.

    If anyone else runs across anything interesting at these two Web sites,
    please let me know.

    Richard M. Smith
    http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com

    ________ _______________________________________
    Politech mailing list
    Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
    Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
    Now when it comes down to who uses what tools and software let me ask this as my own comment. Do you think either politician even knows what their site is running on? Further do you think they care? Most likely someone on the IT staff at each party knows someone who works at or owns a hosting company and whatever they have as default is what the candidate is using. I would personally be far more interested in what they use personally compared to this, and of course far more than that in their policies and practices.
  • by m.corum ( 661762 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:33AM (#9612290)
    That's spot on. NPR did a story on this about a month ago, and as it turns out, Kerry's site was only using OSS because the people (either hired or volunteer) that designed and implemented the site were fans and users of OSS themselves. Kerry himself had no direct input into the matter.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:50AM (#9612350)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:52AM (#9612360)
    i) DMCA doesn't really limit your freedom does it? Draconian "homeland security" laws limit your freedom. Your government's paranoia limits your freedom. Go and tell people in Burma how the DMCA limits your freedom.

    So you wouldn't mind if I stole $1000 from you, I presume. I mean, stealing $1000 doesn't really hurt the average American, does it? Go and tell those people in the third world who are trying to scratch a living on a dollar a day how someone stealing $1000 from your bank account hurts you.

    ii) How can MS hold back an entire industry when your OSS people are free to innovate all they want?

    The existence of a superior solution at a lower price does not automatically mean it will be adopted. In the hypothetical case that MS were using their huge cash reserves to bribe IT managers to choose Microsoft products, for example, it wouldn't matter how good Linux was - Microsoft would be chosen.

    I'm not claiming that's happening for a moment - I'm just answering your question. It's a possible way.

    iii) fair point. But I feel you are being a little naive if you don't believe Kerry will be *almost* as subservient to big business as Bush.

    An equally fair point. But it remains the case that you should pick the lesser of two evils, even if that means you're still getting an evil.

    Linux does *not* preserve my freedom. If linux disappeared tomorrow, the world would not blink. 95% of the world's population have never heard of it, and if someone told them about it, they wouldn't care. IT'S JUST A COMPUTER PROGRAM and it WILL NOT change the world.

    MS-DOS was just a computer program, of which at least 90% of the world's population have still never heard, and that changed the world - by helping personal computers to become commodities.

    Now Linux is changing the world, by helping people in third-world countries to gain access to cheap computers.

    Just because you haven't noticed the difference, doesn't mean the world is still the same.
  • by akb ( 39826 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @09:23AM (#9612475)
    True its likely most voters will be swayed by more pressing issues than tech policy, but I think you've over-simplified the issue. The appointees to various agencies (FCC, Commerce, NSF, NIH) will make key decisions about tech, some limited in scope but some that will have huge impact. Some of the issues that come to mind are media consolidation, VOIP, unlicensed spectrum, stem cell research, the relationship of telecomms to indepedent ISPs, copyright control, IP in trade.

    These aren't "linux fanboy" issues, they are ones that the government will make decisions on and will effect how $billions in our economy and worldwide flow.
  • by AkaXakA ( 695610 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @09:28AM (#9612498) Homepage
    Or you could get the BugMeNot extention for Mozilla Firefox:

    Roadfield extention page which includes the BugMeNot extention. [roachfiend.com]
  • by Ilgaz ( 86384 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @09:29AM (#9612509) Homepage
    Funny is, every terrorist site on web, including Al Queda ones runs IIS :)

    Even our (turkish) anti american communist terrorist(this last one is the issue) morons sites run IIS ;) Even Frontpage!
  • Re:MOD PARENT UP (Score:5, Informative)

    by MP3Chuck ( 652277 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @10:08AM (#9612713) Homepage Journal
    As someone who has a NYT registration, I have to say that I've never recieved [noticed?] a single bit of spam coming as a result of said registration.
  • by Idarubicin ( 579475 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @10:28AM (#9612842) Journal
    Nope--it was the other way around, at least in February of 2000.

    Here's an interesting(?) review [keynote.com] of the sites of the Presidential candidates' websites.

    Here's another review and commentary [crispen.org] about the websites, including a count of the number of errors in the HTML.

    Netcraft says [netcraft.com] that Bush actually was running Apache for a while before the election, but switched to IIS by October (at the latest) and has been stuck there ever since.

  • by ninewands ( 105734 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @11:52AM (#9613395)
    Quoth the grandparent poster:
    Remember how often the term "draft dodger" was applied to Clinton and "war hero" was attributed to Bush Sr. by the so-called liberal media?

    and the parent:
    That's because clinton was a draft dodger, whereas Bush spent some time in the armed forces during the vietnam war.

    The grandparent was referring to George H.W. Bush, who was, in fact, a war hero, having been shot down as a dive bomber pilot during the battle of Midway. George W. Bush, on the other hand, was a pilot of obsolete Air National Guard jet fighters during the last years of the Viet Nam conflict who occasionally appeared for drill.

    Many of us who were on active duty at the time considered that to be the "moral equivalent" of draft-dodging.
  • Lands in Italy too (Score:2, Informative)

    by tchernobog ( 752560 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @03:32PM (#9615145)
    This article has been prepared for tomorrow edition of an Italian leftist newspaper, L'Unità.
    Maybe there's a little bit of populism about that too (actually, there is a lot: L'Unità has always expressed its bad feelings with the Bush family and decisions), but it's interesting seeing that:
    a) Someone there often reads Slashdot (this isn't the first article appearing the same day in both places)
    b) Although they can't spell "Mozilla" in the right way, they give a try to explain what are the advantages of Free Software over proprietary one (doing a little bit of confusion with OpenSource, but unfortunately we're used to that here in Italy)

    Well, some conscience is far better than none.
    If you're an italian speaker, here's the link. [unita.it]
  • by greenguy ( 162630 ) <(estebandido) (at) (gmail.com)> on Monday July 05, 2004 @07:43PM (#9616803) Homepage Journal
    I am on the web team for the Green Party candidate, David Cobb [votecobb.org]. Every member of the team is an open-source purist, and approached the project prepared to win over the others, though that turned out to be unecessary. We are currently using PostNuke on Debian, but this has proved too clunky for heavy usage by people with a wide variety of skill levels. We are currently developing a new site, which will be Plone (Zope) running on BSD.

    David himself is not much of a technophile, but has the sense to use a PowerBook on the road.
  • by grnwmn ( 794259 ) on Monday July 05, 2004 @08:33PM (#9617109)
    Relatedly, at the recent GP convention in Milwaukee, we used free software to record and display the delegates votes. We used Debian, with Apache and MySQL and the scripts were written in Perl and GPL'd, not so much that they were very interesting, but on the principle that voting systems should be open. We used Debian as it reflects our values, and we wanted something stable.

    -Susan
    http://greens.org/~sdridi [greens.org]

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