Lauren Weinstein: If MTV Calls, Hang Up 761
Lauren Weinstein writes "Usually when one gets a call to participate in a news-oriented television program, subterfuge isn't a worry. But in the brave new world of 'newsertainment' -- a blurring of news and entertainment -- you really need to watch your back. Herein is the sordid tale (posted last night to Dave Farber's "IP" list) of what recently happened to me -- and my narrow escape -- when Viacom/MTV Networks came calling, asking for my help to educate the world's youth about important topics (in this case, the scourge of spam). Be warned. It could happen to you!"
For those that just read the summary (Score:5, Informative)
Comedy Central also produces the great The Daily Show [comedycentral.com], which I'm sure a few guests are upset they appeared on after it airs. (Host Jon Stewart recently jokingly asked on the show why anyone is still willing to appear). It's more widely known, though, and they seem to be open about who they are.
Here is the sordid article text (Score:5, Informative)
The L.A. Times article (avoid folding the long URL!):
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-adfi-fr eston20j un20,1,5581013.story?
coll=la-home-headlines online for now (registration required) tells the story of
Tom Freston, chairman of Viacom's MTV Networks. The article suggests that Tom's
style for MTV et al. might be the saving grace for Paramount and perhaps the
rest of the entertainment industry.
If MTV's model is the solution, we're in for big trouble. Hear my saga and avoid
the fate that almost befell yours truly -- experts and spokespeople in the IP
readership, you could be next!
A few weeks ago, I got a call from a producer who identified herself as being
with MTV Networks' "The Debate Project" - -- who wanted to book me onto a new
debate format show in production, to be taped a few days hence. She described
the show (which she never actually specifically named) as oriented toward young
people about important topics, with guests who were experts in their respective
fields. They wanted me to debate a known spammer (who they wouldn't identify at
the time) regarding the scourge of spam. It would be fun she implied, since the
audience would of course be on my side.
While MTV Net producing a show like this seemed a bit odd, it's not unheard of
for them to do topical programming. She assured me the program would definitely
air on an MTV Network but wasn't sure which one yet. Odd, but I've gotten
stranger calls from more ordinary news-oriented programs.
They sealed the deal by promising to send a car so I wouldn't have to hassle
with driving in to Hollywood from The Valley through late Friday afternoon
traffic, and even said they'd throw in $200 (egads -- payment for a "news"
appearance -- unheard of in my experience!)
OK, I'll bite -- sounds more interesting than typical interviews anyway. Then
followed more phone calls from other staffers questioning me at length on the
topic of spam, an e-mailed message with similar questions, and finally all was
set to go. They were really excited about my joining them the next day they kept
saying, and would call me in the morning before sending the car.
That same Thursday night, with the show scheduled for Friday, I was increasingly
uncomfortable. There was a bad feeling I just couldn't shake, an almost animal
instinct of something amiss that I couldn't put my finger on.
When the show had originally called, I had done some cursory googling but
couldn't fine anything relevant. This didn't seem too unusual for a show in
production but not yet on air. Now I started googling in depth.
At first I found nothing again. But then I started working backwards from the
contact phone numbers I had for the show's production staff. This time I hit pay
dirt, and while the pages unscrolled on my screen a cold chill ran down my
spine.
As the recent, angry testimonials I had found recounted, with a matching of
modus operandi that left no chance for error, the show on which I was about to
appear was a fraud.
Not really a debate at all, the show is actually a program for Comedy Central
(yes, an MTV/Viacom network) called "Crossballs" -- and its sole purpose is the
embarrassment and humiliation of the expert guests who are brought on expecting
a legitimate discussion program.
Crossballs is a rigged "reality" show, where real guests, who have been kept in
the dark about the show's real format, are paired off against actors (playing
the debate opponents) for the amusement of the live audience. The stories I read
from persons recently on the show included descriptions of crude,
sexually-oriented verbal attacks (and worse, like being handed various sexual
"apparatus") and concerns that their reputations would be ruined once the shows
aired.
As the alien commander said in "Plan 9 From Outer Space": "That was TOO close!"
In a few hours I was scheduled t
For those that would like to read the article (Score:5, Informative)
Enjoy.
Re:For those that just read the summary (Score:2, Informative)
Not really a debate at all, the show is actually
a program for Comedy Central (yes, an MTV/Viacom network)
Geez, lighten up (Score:5, Informative)
The good satirical shows (like the Daily Show) merely allow genuine whackos and phonies to make fools of themselves; I'm sure there are also lowbrow shows which try to ambush and victimize unsuspecting guests as well. I dunno which sort this "Crossballs" will be (though there's one or two in the cast whom I know don't need to be doing crap to pay rent, so there's hope) but regardless, her reaction seems to be a bit over the top...
What the hell is "newsertainment"? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Punk'd? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:For those that just read the summary (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Is this Jerky Boys gone Wild? (Score:5, Informative)
Avoid "lifestyle" reporters (Score:4, Informative)
My general position is that I'll always talk to the working press, but I blow off "lifestyle" reporters. Running a DARPA Grand Challenge team [overbot.com], I get a fair amount of press interest. Some of it is wierd. Playboy and Men's Life contacted me for interviews. There were documentary producers, including one guy with an Alcatraz fixation. (He'd done five TV documentaries on Alcatraz.)
Oh this is TOO funny! (Score:5, Informative)
You are kidding right? The news program that almost drove Audi out of business with it's false inaccurate reporting?[ http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1999/1115/6412145a_p
I thought the author was a bright guy, up until that comment. 60 minutes may have at one time been a respectable news magazine. That has not been the case for almost 2 decades IMHO. If 60 minutes knocks on your door and they have decided your "guilty", you have a better chance at getting your side of the story heard on cross balls.
In the end - isn't that whats the most sad?
cluge
AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]
Re:coward (Score:3, Informative)
For those who aren't familiar with Lauren Weinstei (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/12.html
Re:Oh this is TOO funny! (Score:2, Informative)
Which is not to say that 60 Minutes gets everything right every time or that it doesn't choose stories for their "gotcha" entertainment value. But they have done and continue to do good journalism alongside their puff pieces. And that mix of hard and soft stories has been a component of the show from the beginning.
Remember the "Jean Poutine" endorsement for Bush? (Score:3, Informative)
In 2000, Rick Mercer [wikipedia.org] posed as a reporter and asked Bush for comments on Canadian Prime Minister "Jean Poutine's" endorsement of his candidacy for President [wikipedia.org]. Canadians start a trend again.
My general advice (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I Loooooove the Daily Show (Score:1, Informative)
Thanks to: This site [livejournal.com] for the link.
After the bit, Will Ferrell (sp?) came out and ate a (the?) banana that was used...
Re:For those that just read the summary (Score:5, Informative)
Candid Camera (which is still on production on the Pax network, being led by Peter Funt, the son of Alan Funt) to this day still has a policy of junking any tape for which they aren't able to get a release form from the subject of the joke. Therefore, they have to keep their pranks so tame that nobody will be too mad at them after it's over.
Cops obscures the faces of anybody who refuses to sign the waiver when presented with it. It has nothing to do with eventual convictions or lack there of.
Re:Pity (Score:5, Informative)
I don't have a problem with Punk'd but this Crossballs thing seems malicious. The guest's reputation is on the line.
Re:Democracy in U.S.: Ridicule and bullying (Score:2, Informative)
MTV degraded so badly in the last decade that they should go under. But then, not a whole lot of TV channels kept up with high standards on both sides of the big pond so I resolved to watching much less TV.
Re:The rules of /. club... (Score:3, Informative)
If I were him I would have called and said I'd be late and then not showed up. I have a hard time believing people find this stuff entertaining.
you missed a good opportunity (Score:3, Informative)
I might worry if the Daily Show wanted to interview me about a controversial subject, but for something as clearly one-sided as spam, I wouldn't hestitate to talk to them.
What happens if you go on the show (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.equalccw.com/thedebateshowfiasco.html [equalccw.com].
Not pretty.
Re:My general advice (Score:3, Informative)
Reminds me of some friends a while back (probably about a dozen years ago now), who agreed to be interviewed and photographed by our local paper, which was doing a story about homeschooling, which has been legal in Florida since the early 1980s. Anyway, one Sunday morning, they opened the local paper to find their photograph on the front page under the large point headline "Homeschooling: Is it Legal?" and an article that went on to suggest that it wasn't. That was the last time they ever had anything to do with that paper.
We have one (Score:3, Informative)
There are quite a variety of PBS shows out there that are pretty authoratative.
Yes, at times their vaguely socialist emotional bias pops up pretty heavily, but they actually do indepth exploration of issues and interview many people ignored by the mainstream press.
And, even though the P stands for "Public" the government funding they get is miniscule to non-existent. Their customers are not advertisors, not some mega-conglomerate owner, but their audience. If people don't value their coverage, they don't pay for it, and thus their quality is relatively high.
Re:I want to join the fun (Score:4, Informative)
Re:For those that just read the summary (Score:3, Informative)
The Daily Show is generally (although not fanatically) liberal, and of course audience is mostly liberal. But when an extremely conservative guy wnt on the show to promote a book about how Bush is really a very smart man and he needs to get some respect, Jon Stewart was very respectful of him, did his best to keep the audience respectful, and really did his best to make the guy (who was obviously feeling very defensive, as well as pasionate about his book) feel at ease and like he was being heard. I think it really showed his skill as an interviewer, not just a newsman and I was really impressed.
Re:I Loooooove the Daily Show (Score:2, Informative)
That was my last attempt to see if Fox actually could be anything like unbiased...
"Not 'gay' Jon, 'aristocratic'." (Score:3, Informative)
Oh yes I did, and I think it qualifies as a best thing ever. Click here [comedycentral.com], and then the bottom left-hand corner link ("Prince Charles Scandal"). You'll need a RealPlayer plugin, but it's worth it.
Re:I want to join the fun (Score:3, Informative)
That's like saying that the killer was arrested for wearing white shoes after Labor Day.
Brett Bursey was arrested for trespassing. For security reasons, the Secret Service restricts access to public property when the President is visiting. They do that because in the past people with an axe to grind have had a bad habit of taking potshots at our various Commanders-in-Chief, all too often with tragic results. This is just and proper.
Brett Bursey seemed to think that his cardboard sign somehow trumped national security. He was mistaken. When this was explained to him, he refused to relocate. And we're not talking about relocating to another county here, either. He was asked to move about a thousand yards down the tarmac. Others were also so asked, and complied, and were not arrested. Mr. Bursey became belligerent and refused to move, and so was taken into custody.
What if Mr. Bursey had had a
Once arrested, he was given a clean cell in which to wait, full and free access to legal counsel, hot food, and complete liberty to relieve himself, bathe, and conduct the other procedures relevant to basic human dignity.
If convicted of every crime he is accused of committing and sentenced with the full strength and weight of the government against him, he will serve six months in jail and pay a $5,000 fine.
God damn this fucking fascist dictatorship we live in.
Re:What happens if you go on the show (Score:3, Informative)
jeff@debateshow.com
erika@debateshow.com
Email them and give them a piece of your mind. Maybe if they get enough email they won't be able to communicate with other victims.
Re:What happens if you go on the show (Score:4, Informative)
Bart Coleman
Producer - The Debate Show
(323) 957-7601 tel
bart@debateshow.com
Following are email addresses of various "handlers" who will sucker you in and keep you in the dark. Might want to cc them all on any comments you have for them.
jeff@debateshow.com
erika@debateshow.com
gary
wendy@debateshow.com
lauren@deba
bart@debateshow.com
Re:What happens if you go on the show (Score:5, Informative)
bart@wexlervideo.com
So I just thought I would let you all know about it so you can send your comments there also since his @debateshow.com addy does not work.
Re:What happens if you go on the show (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.wexlervideo.com/wexlerpages/email/we
You can see all of the other people who work there. They are:
bart@wexlervideo.com, bwexler@wexlervideo.com (CEO!), jordesky@wexlervideo.com, cthompson@wexlervideo.com, sparsons@wexlervideo.com, jferguson@wexlervideo.com, jbown@wexlervideo.com, sjones@wexlervideo.com, lnichols@wexlervideo.com, mmeyer@wexlervideo.com, sdweyer@wexlervideo.com, mdimino@wexlervideo.com, mgoede@wexlervideo.com, pfrocchi@wexlervideo.com, dhudanish@wexlervideo.com, sfinkelstein@wexlervideo.com, sstalnaker@wexlervideo.com, drohrer@wexlervideo.com, rrand@wexlervideo.com, dwitt@wexlervideo.com, dwolff@wexlervideo.com
So drop them all a line too and warn them that Bart is of questionable character.
Re:I want to join the fun (Score:3, Informative)
For anyone who doesn't understand what an obnoxious and stupid comment this is, here's the text [epic.org] of the PATRIOT act.
"Twirlip of the Mist" hasn't read it, either.
Brass Eye (Score:3, Informative)
There was a massive fuss in the UK three years ago over a spoof documentary called Brass Eye, which was a one-off special on the media's treatment of paedophilia. There were numerous celebrities and government ministers who were duped into appearing, and the tabloids branded it the "sickest TV show ever".
The strange thing about the reaction to the show was that it appeared to justify the screening of the programme, including the minister who launched an attack despite not having actually seeing it.
Lots of info from the BBC [bbc.co.uk], and a transcript here. [glgarden.org]
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