Florida Ponders Communication Tax on LANs 406
victor_the_cleaner writes "Here in Florida, a little known tax provision may lead to LANs being taxed. According to the article, 'The provision was intended to make sure companies operating their own land line communication systems, which two decades ago was limited to large utilities and railroads, were paying the same taxes paid by those who rely on commercial phone carriers. About 10 companies (in Florida) pay more than $1.2 million annually based on that definition. However, the statute is so broadly worded that it could be interpreted to describe a local area network.'
Internal auditors at the city of Tampa noticed a couple of years ago that the substitute communications service provision was still there and asked state officials why it wasn't being enforced.
And now people like Sharon Fox, the city of Tampa's tax revenue coordinator are pushing for enforcement."
SITE GOIN DOWN FASTR THN RICHARD SIMMONS ON A POLE (Score:0, Informative)
By DAVID WASSON dwasson@tampatrib.com
Published: Apr 15, 2004
TALLAHASSEE - At the urging of Tampa and a handful of other cities, a nearly forgotten provision in Florida's tax code is being dusted off by the state Revenue Department and could lead to the nation's first communications tax on multiuser computer networks.
Business lobbyists and others are scrambling to block the move, which some predict could trigger one of the largest tax increases in Florida history unless lawmakers eliminate the provision or halt its enforcement before adjourning April 30.
``This is a true example of the law of unintended consequences,'' said state Rep. John Stargel, R-Lakeland, who has introduced a bill that would abolish the 1985 provision but has been unable to get it past its first committee stop. ``This is a poster child for bad tax policy.''
The provision was intended to make sure companies operating their own land line communication systems, which two decades ago was limited to large utilities and railroads, were paying the same taxes paid by those who rely on commercial phone carriers. About 10 companies pay more than $1.2 million annually based on that definition.
However, the statute is so broadly worded that it could be interpreted to describe a local area network, which in computer lingo is known as a LAN. Thousands of Florida companies as well as a growing number of private homes have LAN computer systems.
Finding A Solution
Senate leaders oppose such a broad application of the provision but are leery of hastily eliminating it, in part because it would abolish the $1.2 million in tax revenue that has been paid under what is known as the Substitute Communications Services Tax.
The upper legislative chamber is expected to propose a temporary suspension of its enforcement and then look for ways to limit the provision's application without undermining its original intent.
``Back in 1985, there might have been a few engineers at Bell Laboratories who might have understood what a local area network was but not many others,'' said state Revenue Department spokesman Dave Bruns. ``That was essentially pre-Internet.''
Complicating matters is that lawmakers kept the provision intact when they revamped communication services taxes in 2000 as part of an effort to simplify and modernize the tax code. That's what sparked the current problem.
Cities Seek Enforcement
Internal auditors at the city of Tampa noticed a couple of years ago that the substitute communications service provision was still there and asked state officials why it wasn't being enforced.
Cities and counties get a hefty cut of the $2.1 billion in communications taxes collected by phone companies each year. A portion of the money also is earmarked for school construction.
No one knows exactly how much more would be collected by enforcing the broader definition of the tax. The rate varies statewide, ranging from 9.17 percent to 18.07 percent depending on local option assessments.
Stargel predicts it would be hundreds of millions of dollars annually, while some business lobbyists say it would easily exceed $1 billion.
Bruns said that while no one at the state agency believes the provision was ever intended to apply to computer networks, the agency's job is to enforce the policies created by the Legislature. He said the agency asked the Legislature to re-examine the provision last year but lawmakers adjourned without touching it.
With cities continuing to push for collection, the Revenue Department drafted a proposed enforcement rule but delayed implementation until after this year's legislative session to give lawmakers a second chance to amend or abolish the provision. With barely two weeks remaining, bills in the House and Senate are essentially stalled in committees.
``We are awaiting guidance from the Legislature,'' Bruns said.
Among those pushing the issue is Sharon Fox, the city o
Re:Dupe? (Score:3, Informative)
link [slashdot.org]
Very old stuff (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Home enforcement? (Score:2, Informative)
This [slashdot.org] is from last year when Florida was pushing to pass new legislation to tax LANs.
I think someone (read the revenue service) may have an agenda...
Longest dupe I can remember (Score:5, Informative)
Support the libertarians . (Score:3, Informative)
The Offending Statute (Score:5, Informative)
Section 12 [flsenate.gov] says that the tax rate is 6.8% of the sales price, applied yearly.
Re:How long do you think this'll last? (Score:3, Informative)
You don't live in the UK, do you?
Re:Not again... (Score:2, Informative)
Nothing like England (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Longest dupe I can remember (Score:3, Informative)
Your post is the dupe, not the article.
They should read the law, as I have (Score:5, Informative)
And
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IANAL, but the way I read this, computer networks can not be "Substitute communications system" because "communications services" does not include "Information services", "Internet access service", "similar on-line computer services".
This is just another instance of government officials not understanding the technology they are trying to tax, regulate, and legislate.
Lack of personal income tax! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:justification (Score:5, Informative)
The $1000 hammer is a myth. Actually, it's even a badly reported myth--the usual figure cited by the media back in the Eighties was $600, and the real number on the books is $435.
Still, that seems rather shocking...until you dig deeper and realize that the hammer's actual cost was fifteen dollars. Sydney Freedberg described the issue in Government Executive magazine way back in 1998 [govexec.com].
I don't for a minute deny that waste exists in some government programs, but it's time to put this particular tired old tale to rest. Repeating it just damages the credibility of the speaker.Re:They don't pay taxes. (Score:2, Informative)
For example the USPS doesn't have to pay gas tax nor do they have to register their govermental vehicles. I also think they are exempt from all property taxes.
Re:First "OH MY GOD THIS SUCKS FOR NAT" Post (Score:2, Informative)
Illegal drug tax:
At least 11 states, including Alabama, North Carolina and Nevada, tax people who possess illegal drugs. Usually, though, you have to be in possession of a minimum quantity (for example, over 42.5 grams of marijuana in North Carolina) to be subject to the tax.
But no need to wait for the police to cuff you before you cough up the cash. In North Carolina, for instance, when you acquire an illegal drug (or even "moonshine"), you can go to the Department of Revenue and pay your tax, in exchange for which you'll receive stamps to affix to your illegal substance. The stamps serve as evidence you paid the tax on the illegal product.
Don't worry that you might get in trouble for admitting you have enough drugs to fuel a rave party for years. You needn't provide any identification to get the stamps and it's illegal for revenue employees to rat you out. Still, according to North Carolina's department charged with collecting the unauthorized substance tax, only 77 folks have voluntarily come forward since 1990. Most of them are thought to be stamp collectors. (Or perhaps they were just high?)
The majority of the $78.3 million the state has collected thus far has come from those who got busted and were found without stamps.
But even if they had had stamps, it's not like their legal troubles would be over. "Purchasing stamps only fulfills your civil unauthorized substance tax obligation," according to the N.C. DOR Web site.