AOL Blocks Links from LiveJournal 396
Martin continues:
"We've tried to contact AOL three different ways, all without success. We've also told our users to contact their tech support. At one point, an AOL
staffer pointed
out that FTP access still worked (which is probably because FTP has no
"Referrer" concept), and so, as an interim fix, we're rewriting all HTTP URLs
to use FTP on the AOL properties where that works instead. This means that
users can again host their images on the AOL webspace they're paying for, but
more importantly, it means they can simply link to their webpage.
We wouldn't be so upset if they were simply blocking images. Bandwidth use
is a valid concern, after all, and we even provide step-by-step
instructions for people to configure their webservers to prevent image
"theft". However, because they're blocking all access, including regular
links, this looks like it's either a mistake, or something more insidious (the
conspiracy theorists have pointed out that AOL has just launched their own
competing weblog product, also based on "journals").
Although CI Host
sued AOL recently for being blocked, we really don't want to do that. We
still suspect that this was all just a mistake, and hopefully, by making this
public, we'll manage to get their attention, since all our previous attempts
have failed."
Will this be what kills the referer header? (Score:5, Insightful)
AOL and Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
Well played... (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is it... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not saying AOL is in the right. I'm simply saying that AOL (and companies like them) should be made to lie in the bed they make for themselves. Only when AOL customers start to be inconvenienced by AOL's own policies (rather than third parties patching together "workarounds" in a misguided attempt to protect the integrity of AOL) will they realize what AOL is up to...
mail as well? (Score:3, Insightful)
It almost makes you think that they don't like us..."
AOLers are only getting sanitized Internet to the company's liking... Those who are not happy should switch.
A very good point (Score:3, Insightful)
I do like their approach of hitting up the Slashdot crowd looking for more information and passing on what they have.
More companies should do like you said
Re:F12 (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe they can claim technical difficulties if called on it, or maybe the contract does let them yank their users around like this. I don't know. Does anyone here use AOL and will admit it long enogh to post a link or copy of the appropriate contract?
Of course, there's the tinfoil-hat theory that AOL is planning to start thier own blogging service and wants to drag LiveJournal down from it's #1 spot a bit. Seems like a particularly blatant and non-clever way to do this though, or maybe that's the "beauty" of the whole ingenious plot?
Finally, I'm going to hope the
Re:Wait a minute (Score:5, Insightful)
My more centrist side says this could be abusing a monopoly (or at least dominant position), OK they dont have a microsoft style monopoly, but they do have the monopoly over Joe Stupid.
My cynical side says who gives a flying fuck
Re:Wait a minute (Score:5, Insightful)
Referrer Header (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Wait a minute (Score:3, Insightful)
Seems to me that this comes down to a question of the wording in the AOL user contract -- if it allows this, then the folks are SOL and chould change ISPs. If it doesn't allow this (such as my cable modem accont, which only mentions limits on total space and bandwidth, NOT referer) AOL should stop doing it, and if they want to revise the contract, do so before trying it again.
Leave it to AOL... (Score:2, Insightful)
Stupid, stupid, stupid..
Re:Wait a minute (Score:5, Insightful)
This is webspace that AOL gives its users as part of their paid service. When you pay for webspace, the general idea is that it supports these things called hyperlinks. It stands to reason that you or anyone else should be allowed to link to your website from any other website. Any deviation from this traditional behavior should be documented in their terms of service, and is very shortsighted and/or stupid, as it threatens the very nature of the WWW, much like restrictions/penalties on linking to sites that are deemed undesirable.
Re:Will this be what kills the referer header? (Score:3, Insightful)
It may be optional, but in my experience of using JunkBuster there are some sites which won't work without a referrer header coming from their site.
If the referrer header does die and those sites have to reconfigure their systems I don't see that as a bad thing. Why should I be treated any differently based on the previous site I have visited, or because I want to keep my browsing history private?
Re:Quick fix for HREFs viewed by MSIE (Score:5, Insightful)
Load a javascript off the website of someone else you don't trust? Cmon now... let's just invite a stranger into your home to watch all your websurfing, or post the contents of your cookie file to your LJ.
Anthony, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but would you trust a random stranger's javascript on every one of your webpages?
(The space added to the URL you pasted in is added to every long word at the 50-character mark, to make sure idiots can't break your browser rendering by typing very long words into their comments.)
Re:Will this be what kills the referer header? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Quick fix for HREFs viewed by MSIE (Score:4, Insightful)
I have no problem releasing the script for anyone to use. The script comments say as much. But for the average user, it's easier to just dump HTML on a page. If you know how, by all means, copy the script on your own server.
Anyway, this should be interesting. Carry on.
Re:Solution: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:geocities does same thing (Score:1, Insightful)
Preventing a slashdotting (Score:4, Insightful)
On a technical note, you can set up a page with a META Refresh which will clear the referrer (a HTTP server transfer will keep the original referrer intact though)
Re:Solution: (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, for one thing, AOL has been "broken" in many ways for many years, and yet they still have an enormous and loyal user base. So does Windows, for that matter.
The problem is that for the average AOL user, who to put it bluntly is probably both too stupid to figure this out on their own and too lazy to read LiveJournal's explanation, it will appear just as likely that LiveJournal is "broken", not AOL. They will squeal "OMG WTF IT DONT WORK!!!!!1!!!11!!!
This is how the fragile and complex interoperability between pieces of computer software, which is opaque to most users, can subvert the workings of the free marketplace; if company A sabotages their product so that it won't work with company B's product, it is easy for customers to be fooled into blaming company B.
Microsoft did this with their implementation of Java, and probably many other times. I doubt if this is some deliberate strategy on AOL's part, but the result will probably be the same regardless.
There may be method to this madness... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Quick fix for HREFs viewed by MSIE (Score:1, Insightful)
I'm reminded why i stopped playing the slashdot game after i won (karma cap)--too many ignorant idiots.
Re:tinyurl? (Score:3, Insightful)
Doesn't work for images, but who cares?
Re:hopefully (Score:3, Insightful)
On the other hand, this really stinks of anti-competetive practices in the light of the fact that they're just now moving into the blogging market. If LiveJournal can come up with a lawyer (other than Boies) willing to work on a contingincy basis, I expect that they could get a nice legal settlement.
Leave them feedback (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wait a minute (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wait a minute (Score:2, Insightful)
But back to the point.
Using header information is like locking a door. It's not a bad idea in itself.
"I don't want people walking into my home so I'll sue anyone who lists my home address."
Sigh.. Dipstick LOCK YOUR DOOR.
But now what happends if someone starts locking OTHER PEOPLS doors.
If some jerk adds a lock to your house in effectively locking you out. If you object your against locks? No your against the application of locking someone out of there own home.
But this is AoLs site so let's bring this more to reality.
If your landlord locks you out of the appartment your renting.... He hasn't kicked you out he is still collecting rent he just won't let you inside.
Again not anti-landlord not anti-lock. In California you have to file a 30 day notice to evict a tenent so just locking them out is illegal.
(Unless the tenent is a nusence then you get a 3 day notice)
IANAL but was a landlord.
Now lets actually bring this entirely to reality.
Landlord dosen't lock the tenent out.
The AoL landlords are dictating to the tentent/users that they can't invite friends from Livejernal.
In the real world that would get the city on your butt and ACLU.
Then then someone says "Well make up your minds are you pro-locks or anti-locks?"
Re:Wait a minute (Score:3, Insightful)
It is *both* a good technical solution and bad censorship.
A "technical solution" does not carry any moral or wider value judgements with it. It's essentally binary logic and a problem being addressed can be approached with the cold hard pragmatism of doing a math problem. It is objective.
The moral status of censorship is subjective. AOL's perfectly happy with the solution, or at least they are for the time being. Those being censored will usually be perfectly unhappy with it on the other hand.
You've related two concepts that aren't related at all, it's really apples and oranges.
Re:Here's An Idea.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:F12 (Score:2, Insightful)
I just was setting up some technical consultation with a towing company owner and asked him what ISP he was using. He answered "AOL", because my son gets into those chat things". I recall years ago after having used IRC, going into AOL's chat rooms and couldn't believe what I was seeing. Everyone had to speak in code constantly to avoid the censors. It was amazing to me that these people had no idea what IRC was, and had no concept of 'chatting' outside of AOL.
The single worst pox of naivete upon the Internet behind WebTV is AOL.