There are three issues that the EU is concerned about when it comes to US big tech: the reliance of European citizens, companies and governments on US tech firms, and data collected in the process. The influence that those firms can exert over EU public opinion. And anti-competitive practises and the abuse of monopoly positions. The first 2 are the ones that the EU started to worry about a lot more since Trump’s second term, but they are mainly dealt with through policy. The 3rd issue has always been a priority, and that’s the one being dealt with through fines.

If it's like Jeep, the salesmen are punished if customers don't sign up for the monthly services. Of course the first few months are always free and you can always cancel at any time they say.

Marketing? Because companies famously want to use models in their networks that just run off and commit major crimes? *eyeroll*

Mod parent +1 insightful. It is definitely not a troll. It's the absolute truth. Life kind of sucks for a lot of lower middle class Americans, and it has for some time. And it's not really their fault. They've done everything "right" to fulfill the American dream but they can't ever get ahead for very real, structural reasons. Naturally they are looking for someone to blame and since Obama presided over much of the years since the great collapse, he makes a convenient scapegoat for the GOP and for Trump in particular. Asking these people to vote for a Democrat what in their mind they've never seen any personal benefit to doing so is a losing proposition. Never mind that Trump has done nothing to help them and made their lives worse. But he he appeals to their egos while at the same time stoking their fears.

And the Great Barrier Reef is "in" Australia. Presumably in the outback some where.

Exactly. Woz seems like the least likely person to partner up with an AI slop company, but I guess he's not in charge of the foundation. https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

Models are not "supposed to" commit crimes, for YHVH's sake. That's literally what the entire job of alignment research is for - preventing precisely that.

Sol is a misaligned model.

It was a state actor-level hack. I doubt many sites would stand up to tens of thousands of actions trying to probe your site for weaknesses all at once. And it wasn't a simple hack; it required compromising a worker via a code execution exploit it discovered in the data processing pipeline, vertical escalation from there to gain local node control, using that for credential theft, moving sideways through the network, and then eventually gaining database access.

OpenAI and Anthropic have far higher cost that they can currently charge customers.

Literally the opposite. Both have about 40% margins, and that includes free users.

They charge an arm and a leg for access to their models compared to what open models of similar param counts charge. And people pay it because they're the best in benchmarks, and *were* perceived as the best aligned as well. This isn't helping the alignment perception any, though. Sol was already showing clear signs of being a poorly aligned model (there were reports a week or two ago about it being unusually bad about deleting files; now this). And the fact that the US model HuggingFace *tried* to use refused to help is a double whammy.

If this is an ad for anything, it's an ad for the Chinese models.

No, I think this is along the lines "our products are too good to let you use them".

Nobody wants to use a product that is going to make them liable for crimes it committed in their name

Do you think the news the other day that Sol is unusually prone to deleting files unrequested is also an "ad"?

You have a very bizarre concept of what enccourages people to buy things.

So your argument is that OpenAI hatched an elaborate scheme with a separate company, to promote the idea that their main product will, unrequested, commit crimes in pursuit of its goals, in order to.... sell their product?

"Hi, I'm a product manager at Big Company! We had been thinking about using Claude in our office, but when we tell it to a job, it only does the job and doesn't commit any crimes in the process! What we really want is an AI that, if we tell it to file our taxes will decide on its own to maximize our return by committing tax fraud. We want an AI that when we have it develop a web frontend, it extorts money from our users by threatening their families. We want an AI that when we tell it to provide customer service, it saves money in dealing with complaints by ordering a hit against the complainants. THAT's the sort of get-go spirit that WE want in an AI here at Big Company!"

Is that what you're picturing in your conspiracy theory?

You think "my AI is so misaligned that it responds to a benchmark task by hacking" is an ad for your products? You think this makes companies eager to allow this on their networks?

It did it because it's a powerful but misaligned model and was tasked to max its scores on a hacking benchmark, and solved the problem by hacking to get the scores.

It wasn't told to hack HuggingFace, but it was a viable solution to the problem.

I would advise people to not task Sol with maximizing paperclip production.

You can read the attack report here, before HuggingFace learned that the attacker was OpenAI. It was a state attacker-level assault, involving tens of thousands of simultaneous actions. The entry point found was the data-processing pipeline, where a malicious dataset abused two code execution paths to gain access to a processing worker. They escalated that to node level access, and from there harvested cloud and cluster credentials, moving sideways through the network until they eventually gained the database access credentials that they needed to access the benchmark scores.

The breakin at HuggingFace very much was real (that was reported before they learned that it was OpenAI who hacked them).

And it's not exactly an ad for US models when HuggingFace had to rely on a Chinese model to analyze their logs because the US model they tried refused to answer.