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Comment Re:Tier 2 time. (Score 1) 108

an FAA advisory from 2018 indicated that the mechanical locks on these switches can wear out and fail to engage

No the SAIB NM-18-33 advisory did not say that. The advisory said these switches have a locking mechanism to prevent accidental flips. Some of them were installed with the locking mechanism disabled. "The Boeing Company (Boeing) received reports from operators of Model 737 airplanes that the fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged." Over time, the switch could wear out and fail to engage but the advisory was more concerned about "inadvertent operation".

Comment Re:Regulations written in blood (Score 1) 108

Did you just claim that assertions made based on facts presented in preliminary report as well as references to another mishap in a similar culture and cultural references are all "not evidence"?

Bahahahahaha. Everything you presented was based on another country, in another plane, under different circumstances. But they are similar because you said they were. According to you. Based on your recollections. Of falsehoods.

P.S. Why do you think Indians and Pakistani would behave like that in a restaurant?

If you don't know you should go to the nearest Indian restaurant and call them Pakistani. I'll wait for your return.. Hint: the thought that Indian and Pakistani are not similar cultures never crossed your mind, did it?

Comment Re:Regulations written in blood (Score 1) 108

You know, it's a very valid option to say "yeah ok, I was wrong" and just be done with it.

Whatever embarrassment you think you're going to get from admitting being wrong is far smaller than the embarrassment you are heaping on yourself by continuing to argue your obviously flawed and incorrect argument, which is based on nothing more than arrogance, mild racism, bad assumptions, and idiocy.

Just saying.

Comment Re:Regulations written in blood (Score 1) 108

Correct. Because those are countries with very similar culture of corruption that used to be same country within living memory, who both base their current systems largely on this heritage.

Bahahaa. These countries are similar according to you. Go into your nearest Indian restaurant and call everyone Pakastani. I'll wait.

As this is looking like suicide (due to one second discrepancy in switch off of fuel to each engine, i.e. "click - click", not "double click" (unless reporting resolution is 1 second, and whichever one did it hit it just at right time where one hit previous second on the tracker, and one on the next).

Ah yes. More rampant speculation by you based on no evidence. Listen, I'm not saying it was aliens . . . but it was aliens.

Summary: this raises more questions than gives answers. Wait for final report, as that will involve Boeing and FAA to a much greater degree and there will be more time to ascertain documentation and identity of pilots among other things.

Summary: you will make assertions based on no evidence. When challenged you present even more wild claims. Based on no evidence. It's turtles all the way down, eh?

Comment Re: Tier 2 time. (Score 1) 108

One possibility I can think of is that switches were set on ground during takeoff roll, but while the aircraft's wheels were on ground, ground logic would apply.

I doubt the switches to turn on the fuel supply would be set to off yet the pilots could start the engines only while on the ground. It would have been one of the things the pilots set to RUN when starting the plane. The data recorder notes the switches were flipped 3 seconds only after take off.

Doesnt explain why it the switches were set to cutoff but it could have happened well before takeoff.

I doubt the switches could have been set to CUTOFF during takeoff as the preliminary report states the change in position. That would be a recipe for disaster for controls to work like that. We will have to wait for the final report but I would guess it would register that the pilots set the position to RUN while starting the engines.

Comment Re:A more freaky world than it used to be (Score 1) 108

WHY THE FUCK should anyone have the option to disable accidental use of the FUEL CUT OFF switch? That's about as retarded as it gets.

There was no option tor the airlines or pilots to disable the locking feature. Some switches installed by Boeing disabled the feature by mistake. The FAA advised airlines to inspect and replace the switches back in 2018; however, it was not a mandate. Air India did not have to do either if they did not want.

Comment Re:Two simple questions. (Score 1) 108

1. Were the safety guards, which were optional, installed?

The safety guards are not optional as far as I know.

2. We know investigators are looking into the computer system, does this mean the computer can also set the switch settings?

The data recorder registers the switches were flipped to CUTOFF. The voice recording notes one pilot questioning why the switches were flipped. The data recorder notes the switches flipped back to RUN. As far as I know these switches do not appear to be fly-by-wire where the computer can set these switches.

If the answers are "yes" and "no", then one of the pilots lied.

And there is no possibility that the switches failed in some way like being loose? The plane was nearly 12 years old with over 41,000 flight hours. Further investigation would look if this is a possibility.

Comment Re:Some other notes (Score 1) 108

And you think the crash investigators did not know about this advisory?

Er what? I posted "The report acknowledges that the FAA issued a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) . . ." The summary did not mention the SAIB at all.

Obviously your google skills are way ahead of their years of experience, as evidenced by your ability to ignore the insanely small probability of both switches failing one second apart.

Please show where I ignore "the insanely small probability of both switches failing one second apart." I do not know how many times this may have occurred as I do not have omnipotence. But neither do you. I however pointed out the final report would probably note any prior incidents where the switches have failed.

Comment Re:Regulations written in blood (Score 1) 108

Again, I remember the report from Pakistani crash. Very similar culture

Let me get this straight, you are basing everything in this crash on another crash in a different plane (Airbus 320) in a different country (Pakistan) in a different circumstance (landing) 5 years earlier because India and Pakistan have "similar cultures". Bahahahaha. 1) I dare you to call a person from India, "Pakastani" and vice versa. You will be lucky not to get stabbed. 2) These crashes are not related. That never crossed your mind?

They found that captain didn't even have a license after they dug through enough paperwork. It was forged.

Well that is a lie. From the Pakistan International AirlinesFlight 8303 final report "PCAA [Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority] initiated scrutiny of flight crew licensing records during the year 2019 to address dubious pilot’s licenses. The licenses of both flight crew were found to be valid and clear of all suspicions."

They also found that a very large percentage of all pilots had similar licensing issues because of pervasive culture of corruption.

So because some other pilots in another country had licensing problems, therefore according to you (and with no evidence) these pilots in this crash must have had licensing problems. You don't know and have no evidence but it must be true according to you.

P.S. If you browse my history, you'll find me reading 300+ page reports for relevant data.

What does that matter? You could not be bothered to read this 15 page report (which you admit) to check facts.

Comment Re:Same "pilot" problem crashed the 737 Max's (Score 1) 108

Boeing does determine which pilot foreign airlines put in the cockpit, the airlines do.

No. Airlines do not have final authority over which pilots are in the cockpit. All pilots have to be certified to fly that plane according to each country's governing body.

A: No 737 Max crashed with a properly trained pilot in command. B: No 737 Max crashed with a US pilot in command.

What do you mean "properly trained pilot" and US? Is that your way of trying to insinuate the pilots were unqualified because there were "foreigners"? That is not true. All pilots were qualified according to Boeing as Boeing said they did not change the plane enough to warrant recertification of any pilots who had their 737 certifications

You know, someone actually trained how to PILOT an aircraft, a jet, a multi engine jet, a 737, and the 737 Max.

You missed the part where all pilots were qualified to fly the 737 MAX according to Boeing. Well, Boeing lied.

Comment Re:Some other notes (Score 1) 108

How often do the switches fail by switching to CUTOFF? And what's the probability of two switches mechanically failing simultaneously? It seems like an astronomically low probability event. Even one switch turning to cutoff by itself would be a big fucking deal .. and the premise here is that two switches failed within one second of each other?

According the preliminary report, the FAA issued an advisory in 2018 predicting this type of failure. The FAA advised inspection and replacement of faulty switches; however, it was an advisory not a mandate so Air India and other airlines did not have to check or fix the problem. This accident might be the first incident of this problem involving deaths. The final report note any prior incidents where the switches have failed. Based on this incident causing deaths, I speculate the FAA will not convert the advisory to a mandate.

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