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Comment Re:Because everyone needs to be able to code... (Score 1) 193

Labor vs Trade union.

IT should be a Trade union. You should be picking up 15 year olds and giving them apprenticeships along with half day education. It's how Germany is doing almost all of their skilled trades and they're not having near the number of issues that we are with this sort of thing.

Comment Re:Because everyone needs to be able to code... (Score 1) 193

I always wonder why our industry doesn't require people

Because you refuse to unionize.

If you want to have a certain level of quality and not get walked over by employers it's a way to do it.

That's how you determine the difference between a guy that is qualified to do electrical work on your house and some guy that thinks screws are nails.

Comment Re:Who teaches the teachers? (Score 3, Interesting) 193

I wish my local librarian understood this. I wanted to donate $200 in Arduino stuff to the Library and she kept on bothering me about how would I come and train the kids on it. Could I have classes etc.

I was the 14 year old kid that lived at the library (Only place with Internet in my county). You don't need to teach them anything other than point them in the direction of reading material.

Comment Re:500,000 job openings (Score 0) 193

FORTRAN runs the engineering world. Even Python+Numpy is just a pretty wrapper on FORTRAN subroutines.

A lot of high end simulation tools are written in FORTRAN and to adapt them to new simulations they need people that know FORTRAN and know it well.

COBOL is the same in finance..

Unless engineering or finance stops they are modern.

Every 'coder' that can mash a keyboard can put node.js and Python on their resume.

Comment Re: 500,000 job openings (Score 0) 193

What people complain about is they can't find a job within a certain radius from their house, which happens.

It's not just the older crowd there. "Why can't I find a 70k engineering job in the middle of Chicago?" Well. Because Chicago isn't a haven for engineering. Cat, Deere, Cummins, etc are all doing their engineering out in places where there is a lot of cheap land for them to build facilities on.

You get kids fresh out of college wondering why they can't find a job within a biking commute from San Fran on Seattle when there are thousands of unfilled jobs in the states they make fun of as 'flyover country'.

Comment Re:500,000 job openings (Score 0) 193

Have you considered that you don't have modern, relevant job skills?

How in demand are drafters? A drafter will tell you they're 'highly skilled' and it's because of their age that they can't get hired when that's not the case. We taught CAD to engineers a long time ago.

Listening to Slashdotters 'gui programming' is laughable, stupid, and will never work. Yet there are Simulink jobs everywhere across the US.

Just scanning Indeed.

3000+ FORTRAN Jobs: https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=...

3000+ COBOL jobs: https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=...

3000+ Simulink jobs: https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=...

~1000 Lua jobs: https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=...

Most of those are 60k+ and quite a few 95k+. So I'm at a loss as to how there can be so many open jobs and so many people claiming they can't find any jobs. Somewhere there is a disconnect and I'm going to guess it's that people don't have relevant job skills.

Comment Re:FUCK YOU from an Operator (Score 0, Troll) 193

It's hard enough to find a punch card operator job as it is, with companies far and wide buying auto feeders. Teaching every CS student how to type their code into a terminal instead of a punch card isn't going to help matters any.

It's hard enough to find a telephone operator job as it is, with companies far and wide moving to automated switchboards. Teaching every person how to dial a phone number instead of relying on the switchboard isn't going to help matters any.

It's hard enough to find a driving job as it is, with companies teaching everyone including WOMEN how to drive. Teaching every person how to drive a car for themselves instead of hiring a livery driver isn't going to help matters any.

Comment Re:Who teaches the teachers? (Score 3, Insightful) 193

Why do the librarians need to know how to code? Librarians have never been a jack of all trades but were instead a knowledgeable source as to where to find the information. They didn't have every book memorized but could assist people in finding the book so they could learn on their own.

My local library has a 3D printer and while the librarians can answer basic questions they (in a much politer way) tell you to RTFM. "Equipping librarians" can be nothing more than introducing them to the fact that Code Academy exists.

Comment Re:Better to spend on education than salaries (Score 5, Insightful) 193

You are equating 'computer programmers' with 'people that can program'. A huge number of professions would benefit from people being able to script up something to reduce their work load.

There are companies still doing books in Excel by hand (not relying on any of Excel's built in functions). I helped someone in the mid 2000s that didn't know you could Sort or Uniquify a list in Excel.

It's not about making computer programmers it's about graduating engineers that can program, accountants that can program, MBAs that can program.

A long time ago not everyone learned to type. There were typists that were employed to type in what someone else came up with. Along the way someone got the idea that you could teach people to type and that typists would no longer be needed outside of some specific jobs. The same thing is happening right now with coding.

Source: I'm a Mechanical Engineer that mashes the keyboard to get my job done.

Comment Re:False premise (Score 3, Insightful) 463

The reason they're seeing a decline in sales is PC has plateaued performance wise. 3-4 old generation Intel chips are still competitive. I'll *never* realize the energy savings with how much I use my desktop. My laptop has a 3940XM that is still very competitive speed wise and is 4 years old.

In the same amount of time I've upgraded my GPU on my desktop 3 times because of advances in CUDA.

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