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Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

Well, thank you for admitting you were wrong at least, I guess.

Shame you've still decided to bask in wilful ignorance though by refusing to listen to a word anyone else with actual experience of multiple products is telling you, and still amazed you think lock-in is even possible in a product that supports standard SQL and doesn't force you into any extensions (which just about all SQL RDBMS have btw) but hey, you don't know much so I shouldn't be too surprised that you're again mouthing off about something you have no clue about in the name of an unfounded anti-MS rant though I guess.

Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

But there we are again - changing the terms of the discussion, your problem with it now is merely that you're complaining it isn't open source (hint: it's in preview still), and that it has incomplete Linux support.

Yet here is your original post where you apparently didn't make a sweeping comment and where you claim you merely asked a question:

"You've been able to use Python for a while in Postgres [postgresql.org], MySQL [mysqltutorial.org], SQLite [python.org], and even DB2 [ibm.com].

I can't quite figure out why anybody would want to use Microsoft SQL Server."

Want to retract that now? It's pretty clear you're backpedalling - I don't care if you want to ignore me, just don't pretend you're here to learn when you're clearly not interested in that, and just end up backpedalling when you get called out. People like me are more than happy to share our experience with such products, but don't waste our time if you're not willing to listen and are actually just busy being a zealot whilst pretending otherwise.

Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

"So you actually know nothing about MS SQL Server yourself, you just like it because... what?"

This is precisely the point I'm making - you say you want to learn, but you're not listening. I pointed out that I've worked with many other RDBMS in the past. Oracle is unnecessarily convoluted and proprietary just for the sake of trying to sell specialist training, though it is powerful and performant. MySQL is a joke - the very fact it even has (or had) to be bundled with a tool to fix broken datafiles is in itself farcicle, and as I said, in a production environment I saw it collapse for exactly this reason roughly every 3 - 6 months. I've never used DB2, but I've also never heard of anywhere using it in recent years either and frankly even their 3 case studies on their product site are companies I've never heard of. Maybe it's great, who knows, but it's just not a prominent option anymore, and with reduced prominent comes reduced training availability, reduced available skill sets on the market, reduced peer support when things go wrong.

So again, I like MS SQL server because it's stable unlike MySQL, it's easy to use, diagnose, maintain, and debug unlike Oracle, it offers centralised security configuration, as I've explained already, it integrates excellently not just with .NET but is widely and well supported in just about every language's DB framework out there.

On performance it can easily hold it's own against Oracle and PostgreSQL, I'll admit I have seen faster throughput on MySQL, but let's be clear, that's because MySQL cuts corners, and hence why it suffers from data integrity issues. If I wanted to sacrifice any of the ACID principles then I'd use a data storage system that intentionally does that and is designed for that from the outset, rather than because of failure of implementation - e.g. I'd look at a NoSQL solution if that fit my needs.

We use it for massive, massive databases, probably one of the highest use case scenarios you'll see without getting into Google index or Facebook use scale applications and here it does well too, it scales well, and it's easy to scale. We use it in a scenario where we're bound by contract in terms of response times, where any loss of reliability for even a short period can have literally millions of pounds of impact. Microsoft's support has been great - even on their existing closed source version they listen and make product changes based on our feedback, and that of other customers.

Others here have made the point that there's plenty of reasons to hate Microsoft, but SQL server isn't one of them, and that's absolutely true. Microsoft do a lot wrong, but products like Visual Studio, languages like C#, and products like SQL server are prime examples of things they absolutely do right.

I would suggest, rather than assuming you know it all and making sweeping comments about products you do not understand that you turn your thinking around and instead consider that something might be okay until you have reason to think otherwise. Because once again, by jumping to the conclusion that something is bad just because Microsoft, then hating people and childishly making them your foe because they explained why you're wrong, you're making a fool of yourself.

I could jump to conclusion too, I could assume that because you have a relatively high UID that you're probably relatively young and utterly naive, thinking you know better than those of us who have some extensive experience in the industry. I'm not going to do that though because I might be wrong - I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're just stressed, and venting your anger here or some such by trolling regardless of your circumstances, but ultimately it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong, and would do well to listen to all those explaining why if you ever want to get anywhere in this industry. A successful career has no room for zealotry and willful ignorance, you simply evaluate the options and take the best one for your use case, as many companies have found, hence the sales figures, that's quite often MS SQL server.

Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

You're making it pretty clear by the fact you can't even answer these questions for yourself that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Even if I do do your research for you wants the point where you're clearly a zealot? The fundamental fact you're making assertions about a peace of software you're demonstrably highlighting you have no idea alone means that any discussion with you is a losing proposition.

If you genuinely had an open mind you wouldn't be calling something you have never used, and have no knowledge of a pointless proposition. The fact you are means any suggestion you're capable of holding an open mind on the topic is already well and truly null and void - an open mind requires you to not jump to conclusions, yet that's the entire premise of your thread here - your conclusions based on zero actual experience of the subject at hand.

If I've learnt anything about Slashdot it's that I have way better ways to spend my time than trying to convince a zealot of the facts, so here's a better idea - fire up Google and go and find the answers to your own question if you care. If you're not going to bother to do that then you merely prove my point - you're not here with an open mind, you're here to spread your zealotry.

Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

"That's lock-in, not a technical advantage, as are most of the other things you list."

Call it what you want, there's real practical benefit in being able to have centralised security configuration. Knowing that when you lock out a user account on the domain, that they also can no longer log into every database server and so on has massive practical benefit.

"Well, and there are several enterprise-grade relational databases that don't come from Microsoft and don't come with Microsoft's strings attached: Oracle, DB2, and Spanner for example."

I already mentioned Oracle, and sure, DB2, though it's a small player. Spanner is neither a true RDBMS, nor used widely in the enterprise.

I get it, you hate Microsoft, that's fine. But don't pretend MS SQL server isn't widely used, and it's widely used for good reason - it's a good product.

Besides, even your argument about vendor lock-in makes no sense. SQL server for Linux is open source, the whole point being that it's easy to migrate to.

The reality is most companies would rather pay for something solid and reliable like MS SQL server that integrates well into the rest of their ecosystem, than have something free but shit like MySQL. As I said before, you may have your own reasons not to want MS SQL, or for just hating Microsoft, fine, but don't expect everyone else to agree with you when some of us actually have a wide range of RDBMS experience and aren't just pulling nonsensical theories about a particular product out of our arses as you clearly are.

Comment Re:a little late to the party (Score 1) 98

Probably because it has deep integration with windows networks and security that most businesses run on, coupled with the fact it's a proven reliable, fast, and highly scalable RDBMS. MySQL for example just isn't reliable, last time I ran it it would corrupt the data store on disk and you had to run a fix tool provided with MySQL to get the server to even start and load your database again.

Beyond that though it has great surrounding services for ETL, analysis, and reporting, coupled with clean and easy integration into the .NET ecosystem (which, as the other article posted recently shows is one of the most prominent languages for financial/enterprise use during the working day). There's also high quality 1st party support available with defined SLAs.

I think the mistake you're making is that you're assuming that because it's not right for you, it's not right for anyone. But you're not everyone, some companies have the cash to blow on software that's proven, and integrates fantastically with their environment. If your budget is zero or near enough then fine, of course MS SQL server isn't for you, but not everyone is doing basic zero budget stuff. There are big businesses out there that need something enterprise grade, and that typically means Oracle, MS SQL.

Comment Basic (Score 1) 622

My first programming language was a form of Basic (I forget which one) on Apple IIe computers. During middle school, we were instructed to program a slot machine program. Essentially, the assignment was to pull three random array entries and display those. Easy, right? I coded mine, looked up, and everyone was still working. So I decided to add more features. I added in betting with the game repeating until you lost all your money or decided to walk away with your winnings. I looked up and people were still coding. So I added in a loan shark who would lend you money which you had to pay back (with interest) or he'd end your game for you. (I actually had it display that he "took an arm and a leg.") I looked up and FINALLY people were finishing their assignments.

I blew the teacher and my classmates away with what I had made. That SHOULD have been my sign that I needed to go into programming, but it took me until college where I almost failed quantum mechanics as I aced my computer science classes to switch on that light bulb.

Comment Re:Make America Great Again (Score 1) 256

To be fair, my current connection is 15Mbps so it's not broadband either. When Spectrum forces me to their plan, I'm supposed to get a speed bump that might take me above broadband levels. When Time Warner Cable was here, they offered actual broadband, but you had to pay a lot more for it. Again, monopoly position = the company will charge you whatever it likes for whatever service is decides to provide and you can take it or go without.

Comment Re:Price caps cause market distortions. (Score 4, Insightful) 256

On the flip side, if you remove minimum wage, what's to stop an employer from paying nearly nothing for work that generates the employer more money? If an employee generates $25 an hour in value and the employer pays $0.50 an hour, what would protect the worker? Before you say "they can just change jobs", recognize that you could have an industry "race to the bottom" with salaries. The ones that pay less might make more profits and can gobble up (or force out of business) the ones that pay more.

To give an example, my son recently went to a local museum where he learned about the NYC garment district around the early 1900's. There was no minimum wage or safety regulations so people were worked 15 hours (6am - 9pm) for $3 a week. (That's about $1 an hour in today's money.) If people didn't want to work those hours or asked for more money, they were fired and people who would accept the hours/pay were hired. Every employer in the area paid about the same, so you couldn't just go to another employer. (The lack of safety regulations caused a fire that killed 146 workers.)

Minimum wage laws can help to keep employers from forcing workers to work long hours for little to no pay. They can help keep employees from falling below the poverty line or from having to work three jobs just to make ends meet. They might not be perfect, but doing away with the minimum wage entirely would be disastrous.

Comment Re:Make America Great Again (Score 4, Insightful) 256

The thing is, I'd be all for "let the markets fix it" if the ISP market actually had competition. If I could choose between 12 different comparable ISPs, I could easily vote with my wallet. When I only have one option, though, voting with my wallet doesn't work. The ISP market is broken and this means "let the markets fix it" won't do anything. Government regulations might not fix the market, but they can stem abuses in the short term and possibly even lay the groundwork for competition to sprout up in the longer term.

Comment Re:Make America Great Again (Score 2) 256

I've had someone try to tell me that DSL, satellite, and wireless services count as competition for wired Broadband. I currently have Spectrum (Charter, formally Time Warner Cable) at $35 a month - though that's a TWC rate that will likely go away next year and my cost will increase to around $60 a month.

DSL in my area is about 4Mbps for around $40 a month on lines that Verizon wants to get rid of ASAP. Satellite has slow speeds, low caps, and high cost. As for wireless, I use about 500GB a month - mostly in video streaming. Verizon's Unlimited plan would throttle me after 22GB. They have a "data only plan", but that runs about $700 for 100GB of data.

The person I was talking with honestly thought $700 a month was competition for $60 a month. While, technically these are "options", nobody with my usage requirements (video streaming) would take these. This leaves Spectrum as my one and only choice and they know it.

Comment Re:OO is "well supported" in JS ? (Score 1) 181

I suggest you learn a bit about the history and intentions of OO. It's not about message passing, it's about organising data around objects, hence the 3 pillars of OO. They're called the 3 pillars of OO because they're the 3 pillars of OO - the fact you don't even know about their existence really speaks volumes. You may wish to pretend OO is something else but again, that's because you're wrong, not because you're the god you think you are that gets to redefine unilaterally terms for the entire programming community across the globe.

You obviously need some basic computer science education, because you wouldn't even get into university with that level of ignorance of the topic.

OOP stems from Simula, and later Smalltalk - in fact, small talk was the first termed OOP language, hence why those languages that stem from it's ideas are the ones implementing a correct interpretation of OO. The fact you're not aware of this once again highlights why you're exactly the sort of person you cry as bringing the quality of knowledge on Slashdot down - you don't even have a basic grasp of the topic and it's history that you're talking about. You're just saying things because you're a language fanboy, asserting they're right, whilst being actually completely and utterly wrong.

I can see why you're confused on the topic though, Joe Armstrong intentionally misled people like you to allow you to pretend you were doing OO even when he was very clear that you absolutely were not. You basically didn't understand his actual point. Here he explains why they did that, and why Erlang is intentionally not actually OO:

http://harmful.cat-v.org/softw...

Enjoy your education, or continue being wrong on the internet. It's really up to you.

Comment Re:Notability would ban that subject in the 1st pl (Score 1) 70

"It could also be the only source for a "subject" of a paragraph or even a sentence within an article that has multiple sources."

But that in itself can be deeply problematic, as one of the biggest problems with The Daily Mail is not that it outright fabricates stories (though it has done that too) but that it over-exagerates the impact of things, makes up numbers, and so on and so forth.

So if the paragraph their quoting has no secondary source other than The Daily Mail, due to The Daily Mail's history there is every chance that that paragraph in itself is singularly sourced from The Daily Mail because it is a fabricated part of the story.

So I'd agree with the GP, that's not really a sufficient excuse to cite it because it's possible it's the only source because what it's saying simply is not true.

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