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Comment Re:We ran the same calculus (Score 1) 181

However....backup, anti-virus, spam filtering, and a DR solution drives up the cost very quickly.

The marginal cost of backup and DR when you're *already* doing those things for an on-prem server environment is pretty close to zero, and if you're already virtualized and have a virtual-oriented backup software you probably already have DR integrated into your backup. AV and anti-spam are almost always done best these days by a third party service and the good ones do both anyway.

From the numbers I've run, it usually is cheaper to do it on prem above about 50 users with a 3 year benchmark. If you time the upgrade right, you can probably get 5 years out of it without falling more than a rev behind and cut the 50 user number way down.

It's pretty obvious Microsoft is heading subscription-only for everything. Since 2013, Exchange has lost much of its GUI which I think has been a way to scare on-prem admins away. They will ultimately either price on prem high enough that only a few compliance/security focused large organizations will consider it or support hybrid only (meaning you're paying for O365, used or not).

Cloud is about permanent vendor-lock in and rent-seeking, not economics. The marginal cost of a 5-9s commercial data center for hosting cloud services is greater than the marginal savings to users, which is why hosted systems always end up being so expensive unless you're doing something really trivial like a static web site.

You guys are somethign else. You bashed WIndows NT and then called Windows Server for years for not having a CLI. Hey look at Unix we do not have to sit in front of the server to admin it etc. Now MS has powershell and it is BEH WHERE IS THE GUI?! Exchange is a very complex project because many organizations have complex uses. If your admin can't handle scripting and commands then he is incompetent. If you are paying someone +$75,000 a year he or she should be a master at that price and have years of experience.

Comment Re: Time to switch (Score 1) 181

Dude it is 2017. Wordperfect and Lotus 123 lost. Deal with it. The world runs on Microsoft. You can't have your sales team making documents misformatting in potential clients computers. Customers make custom Sharepoint sites and use MS teams to arrange things.

I am not saying this as a super MS fanboy. I am just stating reality. If Libreoffice was around in the early days of the internet in the 1990s maybe this wouldn't be a thing, but the office runs on MS and Intune, Office, Skype, Sharepoint, MS project, etc.

Comment Re: Time to switch (Score 1) 181

I'm curious how big companies justify anything over $5 a month.

Most companies of any size have virtualization which almost always means that running Exchange amounts to software licensing and a fairly thin amount of admin time.

A single Exchange server should scale to 500 users pretty easily -- at $35 month, you're making a $175,000 commitment or $525,000 over 3 years. The office and Exchange licensing for on-prem isn't $525,000.

I know some organizations have struggled with Exchange reliability, but I've worked in the managed services and consulting space and the vast majority of on-prem installs I've worked with have been extremely reliable and problems have usually been the result of some really bad admin decisions.

I've laid the costs out side by side for customers who have run on-prem, including admin costs, and almost none have chosen 365.

THanks to the horrible US healthcare system and high corporate tax rates a good Exchange admin who is worth $80,000 a year costs $170,000 easily in 401K, healthcare costs, and taxes for the employer. The cost of energy for the server could easily be $10,000 a year per server. Our former MDF cost 1 million a year of electricity at our site of ust 1,100 users.

The race to the bottom with falling wages for mellinials and robotic automation is because of healthcare costs which keep going up 10% per year. So to the employer $50,000 a year for someone 15 years ago costs the same as some intern making $12/hr out of college.

With Office 365 you do not have to worry about the competence of the your admin too. You log in and work. Office 365 is great for small to medium sized companies who do not know even how to make a Sharepoint or use PowerBi. THe tools are there for anyone to quickly whip something together.

Unless you are a very large enteprise with very unique requirements it is just cheaper and easier to pay a bill. Does your employer have a custom electrician and plumbing officers which generate the water and electricity or do they pay a bill each month?

Comment Re:Time to switch (Score 1) 181

If you run the other popular operating system, full installs of Pages, Numbers and Keynote come with it.

As usual the anti MS hate is in the story. The title is wrong.

Yes MS plans to keep desktop versions of their apps. What MS is doing is requiring an Office 365 account to use Skype for Business and OneDrive when support ends in 2020 for Office 2016.

The desktop apps are here to stay folks

Comment Re:But is Wayland better? (Score 1) 224

Kill X11 with FIRE!

Read the Unix Haters Handbook entry on X and how it can't do the things people think it can for GUI here?

OpenGL is a great reason to dump Xorg. No DRI BS on MacOSX or Windows. It just works and no freaking emulating network protocols and HUUUUGGE latencies emulaing client/servers from the 1980s underneath.

Comment Re:But is Wayland better? (Score 1) 224

X11 is a turd. The future is using javascript and rendering to HTML. Rust, go, python, and all the other important languages can be compiled into javascript which runs everywhere - the browser, the desktop, the server, the phone, chromebooks, and even embedded devices that only have 4 GB of RAM.

... and such a system written in such would probably still be faster and more efficient than X!

Comment Re:X11 SUCKS (Score 4, Interesting) 224

Quotes from the Unix Haters Handbook here.

Let's desconstruct here your arguments X11 myths:

Myth: X Demonstrates the Power of Client/Server Computing

Fact: "The database client/server model (the server machine stores all the data, and the clients beseech it for data) makes sense. The computation client/server model (where the server is a very expensive or experimental supercomputer, and the client is a desktop workstation or portable computer) makes sense. But a graphical client/server model that slies the interface down some arbitrary middle is like Solomon following through with his child-sharing strategy. The legs, heart, and left eye end up on the server, the arms and lungs go to the client, the head is left rolling around on the floor, and blood spurts everywhere.

The fundamental problem with X's notion of client/server is that the proper division of labor between the client and the server can only be decided on an application-by-application basis. Some applications (like a flight simulator) require that all mouse movement be sent to the application. Others need only mouse clicks. Still others need a sophisticated combination of the two, depending on the program's state or the region of the screen where the mouse happens to be. Some programs need to update meters or widgets on the screen every second. Other programs just want to display clocks; the server could just as well do the updating, provided that there was some way to tell it to do so.

The right graphical client/server model is to have an extensible server. Application programs on remote machines can download their own special extension on demand and share libraries in the server. Downloaded code can draw windows, track input eents, provide fast interactive feedback, and minimize network traffic by communicating with the application using a dynamic, high-level protocol.

As an example, imagine a CAD application built on top of such an extensible server. The application could download a program to draw an IC and associate it with a name. From then on, the client could draw the IC anywhere on the screen simply by sending the name and a pair of coordinates. Better yet, the client an download programs and data structures to draw the whole schematic, which are called automatically to refresh and scroll the window, without bothering the client. The user can drag an IC around smoothly, without any network traffic or context switching, and the server sends a single message to the client when the interaction is complete. This makes it possible to run interactive clients over low-speed (that is, slow-bandwidth) communication lines."

Other fun tidbits that made me chuckle

" How to make a 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC

If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
- Marus J. Ranum, Digital Equipment Corporation

X-Windows is the Iran-Contra of graphical user interfaces: a tragedy of political compromises, entangled alliances, marketing hype, and just plain greed. X-Windows is to memory as Ronald Reagan was to money. Years of "Voodoo Ergonomics" have resulted in an unprecedented memory deficit of gargantuan proportions. Divisive dependencies, distributed deadlocks, and partisan protocols have tightened gridlocks, aggravated race conditions, and promulgated double standards.

X has had its share of $5,000 toilet seats -- like Sun's Open Look clock tool, which gobbles up 1.4 megabytes of real memory! If you sacrificed all the RAM from 22 Commodore 64s to clock tool, it still wouldn't have enough to tell you the time. Even the vanilla X11R4 "xclock" utility consumed 656K to run. And X's memory usage is increasing."

Dude if there ever was a case for Unix X11 IS SURELY not one of them. You can thank X11 for handing the desktop to Windows. It is a terrible system for those that remember using it in 1999 when freaking 2/3s of my ram went to run client/server X for a single PC?? You millenials have hidden the horrors of this tragedy.
Trying to get any hardware OpenGL acceleration SUCKS not on Linux BUT XORG due to it's silly architecture compared to other platforms.

Comment Re:I was most frustrated by ... (Score 1) 149

Damn man. All I can say is QUIT. I refuse to do the bare minimum. If I try everything and adjust my attitude as it is always the workers fault with an attitude problem when you try to fix it then I start looking for an exit.

I left my last employer and starting a path for a newer and so far seems much better one. I get paid more but it is a step down in responsibilities and title but it is more technology present wise which will help my resume and I feel a sense of calm as stress lifts away.

Not all employers are like that but I have observed the ones that are typically are yesterday companies that were hot back in the day and are losing money, talent, and resources to competitors with clueless PHBs and senior management left. When a company puts in surveillance and redtape and meetings to prevent problems and refused to listen do not walk away RUN! Many of these companies start outsourcing in the end of their death cycle and view employees as cheap commodities.

They wonder what happened to the drive and talent of yesteryears? The answer is THEY LEFT with their former customers to greener pastures.

Smaller companies too have more flexibility if that is what you want. Nothing is perfect man, but like a bad romantic relationship, a bad employment one is equally bad for you.

Comment Re:I was most frustrated by ... (Score 1) 149

I read your posts for awhile. I assume you love in Texas which I now do. Outside of Houston you can get another job next week! Not all are Sarbanes Oxley shops. Even in Houston there are a few .coms and desire to have a senior level programmer or manager.

You owe to yourself and your wife if you are married to be happy and have a positive attitude and confidence vibe men are expected to have. A bad job impacts all around you and yourself and as Dave Ramsey says in his famous youtube video if you're spirit has left your workplace for heavens sake take your body with it ... QUIT!

I am not in management but I will say in the 20 seconds reading this that your employer is cheap and risk adverse. If the CIO is important then why is he auditing and approving changes?? Hire a freaking auditor/editor/technical reviewer who can deal with that shit instead! If your employer doesn't want to pay then its penny wise dollar dumb to waste you and everyone's time. SOX is for proper business decisions not auditing. Your employer is not freaking liabile if a coder puts in a backdoor and your legal team over-reacting big time if that is the logic on this??

Comment Re:I was most frustrated by ... (Score 1) 149

What about having to do tedious and redundant work because leadership refuses to prioritize internal tooling and environment upgrades,

What about it? Life sucks. Shit sucks. You either settle and collect your paycheck, or you go to another company. Not all companies are like what you describe, so why do stay where you don't like working? Stop being a bitch. Stop complaining and change to a company that you like working for.

Have non-technicians constantly reject good ideas because they can't understand them, and don't bother trying to,

Being asked to work extra to meet arbitrary deadlines that have absolutely nothing motivating them,

Re-doing the same task three times because the stakeholders cannot make up their minds,

having to work in an open office that is full of noise, socializing, and distracting all the goddamn time while leadership just closes their office doors?

I don't know whether or not you would call these "pressing issues," but they sure make MY job suck.

Same bitching. No one owns you a dream job. Go out and seek it. Life is too short to be bitching about bad employers.

Hey that is me! Or was me.

I left my last job and couldn't be happier. I learned something too? You can try to re-adjust your attitude in such a situation but it only goes so far. Eventually you will get fired too on top of it as you will break and no one wants to do business with someone with a bad attitude.

I used to listen to some motivational speakers. Larry Winget who has a book called it is work for a reason argues passion = bad employees and we all should not love our jobs. I think now that advice is bullcrap.

It is frustrating and sometimes not everyone is a gifted programmer in the I.T. field who can get a job next week. It took months and a termination after I blew up after working 70 hours a week for several months and undoing everything I did and redoing it over and over and over and an abusive coworker who bullied me for an hour and a half.

But I can say I should of left a year earlier and a great employer can make or break your happiness in a heart beat. I am proud I stuck by bad jobs enough to gain experience so I can get to the good companies. Picking employers comes for non high demand people after you have 3 to 5 years proving yourself and going up the chain to be worthy of their time.

I agree. Like a relationship if you are not happy and you try to work out changing and your partner won't budge or appreciate you it is now time to pack your bags and move on. I guess a working relationship is similar to a romantic one in that regards.

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