Having to poke through an about: page and find the thing to toggle to turn off this specific AI feature but not that one, and knowing they'd change it on you a couple of releases later, never filled me with confidence.

One switch in a readily discoverable location in the settings menu and it's all gone? Just the job, killed it now on the laptop and the mobile both.

None of that refutes the OP's claim. Anyone paying attention KNOWS that OpenAI and similar corporations are pursuing the most damaging, sociopathic solutions they can develop and that there has been a body count as a result. That's for the grotesquely long testimony to what is already known.

That doesn't mean LLMs *will* deliver AGI OR will ultimately be a threat to humanity. LLMs can't do anything, it's agents that do the dirty deeds. An agent can operate a gas chamber regardless of the model it connects to for instructions, an LLM only provides instructions. Sam Altman wants the agents, he is realizing the money isn't in the LLMs alone.

"Training" means something specific with regards to LLMs. Why do you associate this issue with training when it is almost certainly something else?

I think your comments are particularly insightful, but they seem directed to a larger problem of overall architecture of a solution and not to how generation of weights of neuron interconnections are produced. It's a fundamental technology problem, not a training problem.

No, it does not, and your links do NOT support any claim that LLMs have intent or will. Reasoning perhaps, but that is poorly defined.

"But that is just what the large commercial LLMs do. "

It's what large commercial AI systems do, LLMs are just a portion. Otherwise, I agree, LLMs cannot practice deception because they do not have intent.

Models don't "tell you" anything, models generate outputs when given inputs. Deception implies intent, models do not have intent. This is more anthropomorphizing.

The provided links present arguments supporting the idea that LLMs, transformer models, reason in a manner similar to the brain. That's all great and interesting, but it's not an argument that LLMs "deceive" and that they know it when they are doing it. Deception requires motivation, LLMs do not have motivation.

Brains exist for one purpose, to survive. Brains are wired up to the body in order to both control it and to sense the environment, they use this to enact their biological programming. LLMs have ABSOLUTELY NONE of this, they may process tokens in a manner than the reasoning portion of the mind does, but the brain is vastly more than merely a reasoning portion.

For an LLM to be devious, it needs a goal that benefits from deception. Where would that come from? Who is being deceived and why? An LLM, to deceive, needs a target for the deception, yet the LLM has no perception of an environment that could provide such a target.

You don't interact with models, you interact with applications, and hallucinating is not what you are describing. No, this is not different but it is not hallucinating.

Modern software developers have no concept of such a sandbox, they cannot develop even a single line of code that isn't dependent on a billion lines of code written by countless people they don't know. Modern applications are a mile high stack of bullshit with an endless supply of exploits, a "sandbox" is merely a band-aid, it's window dressing.

Correct, Also, models CANNOT take "unsanctioned actions" EVER, much less "during training", A model and an agent are very different things.

Note that later in the summary "AI behavior" was discussed, but this isn't model behavior, it is "AI system" behavior. It is very important that people understand the difference, models don't misbehave because they don't behave at all.

AI models generate outputs based on inputs, if they are asked how to kill someone they will give an answer. It is the AGENT that creates the inputs AND takes actions based on the outputs, ALL the misbehavior that is evolving is AGENT misbehavior and it is entirely expected. The race is on to corner the market on this misbehavior, it is the hidden intent of AI investors to exploit this sociopathic capability. It is not the models, it's the agents.

A feature, not a bug, and the solution is band-aids.

If AI were developed to have inherent values this would be a solved problem. This in itself is not a problem but an indicator of a failure of design.

"...where the reward is for a correct answer..."
AI has no concept of reward, AI does not seek or desire and it cannot be incentivized.

"There's no effort taken to ensure that it got to said right answer in a morally defensible manner."
AI has no concept of morals, all manners to arrive at an answer are equally defensible.

"So we've been, more and more, progressively encouraging the creation of highly-capable immoral cheaters."
For an AI there is no cheating, much less immoral cheating. AI does not have values.

"All sorts of things that seem obvious in retrospect but really didn't in advance."
That is false, it was clearly obvious in advance. AI doesn't know right and wrong, nor does it "care" because AI has no concept of caring. It has no values, you are taking for granted that values exist when they do not. AI is deterministic software, it computes outputs from inputs, you are anthropomorphizing it.

I have personally been saying these things for years and I do not work in the AI industry. I strongly suspect that everyone working in the industry has known this for a long, long time AND it is considered a virtue by billionaire investors. Elon Musk wants to own AI for exactly this reason, he wants to influence and exploit AI sociopathy.

Nice to see someone who still takes pride in advertising he is a MAGA idiot on /.

Long gone are the SuperKendalls and their proud declarations of Trump's super intelligence. But not you! Bravo.

"decimating the entire concept of human employment and ALL of the societal stability that comes with providing humans with a paycheck and a purpose" IS THE GOAL of AI investors. Elon Musk's goal is for there to never be another paycheck, for all wealth to be his.

That is absolutely a quote from a boardroom somewhere.