Are Catholics actually still doing that? My understanding is that the pope condemned it over a decade ago, major changes have been made, and while it was an institutional issue, it didn't go straight to the top.

Where do you draw the line? What companies are you boycotting due to their use of slave labor, etc.?

Obviously, when you've been personally affected, that's a pretty easy line. I've got my own list of personal boycotts for similar reasons - but I don't expect you to care, and I doubt your list includes many of those names.

I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church, I just dislike the idea that one cannot possibly support any organization which has, at some point, in some capacity, done something wrong. Pretty much every flag and religion has been used to justify atrocities. Mega-corps aren't doing much better. Buy local, abandon globalism, I guess? But then why are you on the internet?

Well, yes, we can say all sorts of things. I can say "phantomfive is not thinking, either".

I think you are perhaps putting too much stock in your ability to say things, and not enough stock in whether those things reflect reality - it's easy to say LLMs aren't thinking, but there's a remarkably narrow range of tasks they fail on these days, and you're moving the goalposts enough to exclude a number of humans at this point.

Ahh, yes, black people, yearning for the freedoms of slavery and segregation.

Or perhaps you were thinking of women, yearning for... oh, hey, it's the freedoms of slavery and segregation again.

Shall we liberate the gays from... oh yay, a new one: the tyranny of marriage!

Or to be more direct: I mostly notice it's white guys idealizing the past, because everyone else gets fucked over even a century back.

> For those reading along, this is were dmb reveals themselves as a troll.

Oh wow, they really are. That's some smooth shark indeed. And they just keep going, so I guess they're having fun with the absurdity. Been a while since I saw a genuine old fashioned troll - these days it's all psyops and agendas, but this is just... a very smooth shark.

Valgrus Thunderaxe, I assume you'd be happy to share which particular types of internet porn you prefer? You wouldn't mind if interested third parties published that, right?

Or do you expect privacy for yourself?

It would seem the issue there is "uploaded under real artists names", not whether it was AI generated.

It would also seem relatively easy to prohibit uploading a track labelled "Taylor Swift" unless it's from the official account, matches an official audio signature, or is clearly tagged as a cover?

> Student visa applicants, whom are by definition are not US citizens and not US residents, are not subject to ANY US rights

Ignoring the "residing outside of US" clause:

Non-citizens absolutely have rights under the constitution. That's settled ground. First source off Google is https://libertarianinstitute.o..., but I can find you a dozen others.

Can you concede that much, at least?

> residing outside of US

To be clear, that's a separate topic - I'm just asking about people who are actually in the US

I comment because I want to actually share and help people understand the topic. My goal is not to "win". I've used language wrong before, I've had people correct me, and I absolutely count those corrections as a "win" because I learned something useful, and "someone learns something useful" is my usual goal.

If you can't understand the difference between "okay, that was a bit sloppy, let me clarify" and "denying", you've definitely lost.

The "more" I am referring to is the specific word they used, so yes, context is implicit. I figured people would be smart enough to infer the "in this context" and lo and behold, you did :)

> The example I gave was not a grammatical distinction, it was a conceptual distinction.

I addressed the conceptual distinction too: squid purple smiley-emoji. I haven't seen you offer any sort of retort to that

No, in common vernacular, "there are more oranges" refers to count, not weight. If you wanted to say "the oranges weight more", that would also be a perfectly valid, and common sentence, which instead refers to weight.

Pick a different object and it becomes obvious: if I ask which team on the NFL has more players, you're not going to go check their weights, are you? Have you ever once heard someone say that a team has "more" players in the sense of their weight? It wouldn't be at all unusual to say a team is heavier, or their players are bigger, but you wouldn't say they have "more" players.

No, you can't "count" mass. You don't go "1kg, 2kg, 3kg...".

You can sum mass. You can calculate mass. But you cannot actually count mass.

  "Countable" is a grammatical term here. The "less vs fewer" distinction might help clarify that: https://www.merriam-webster.co...

(and yes, there is a sense in which "mass counts", but that's a homograph - "count mass" and "mass counts" are using two different words that are simply spelled the same.)

Rationality justifies rationality recursively: Rationality works because, by the rules of Rationality, it works. So, in a sense, yes, everyone has to choose their axioms.

The first missing piece of the picture is The Lens That Sees Its Flaws ( https://www.lesswrong.com/post... ). A system can be self-improving and continue to approach accuracy, even if it starts in an imperfect state.

The second missing piece is that if you pick any sort of axiom like "believe in things that have been shown to work in the past", you get Rationality. You can of course be obtuse: anti-inference has been wrong every time before, so by the rules of anti-inference it is bound to be the correct system! But if you make that claim, you're rejecting the common ground of "believe in things that work". Communication only really works within groups that can at least approximately agree on certain axioms, and most humans have agreed with that one.

> Someone says there are more oranges than grapes.

"more" is a quantity word, not a weight word. In standard English conversation, this means that "count(oranges) > count(grapes)". One person is right, and one person is wrong. If you want to discuss a different quantity, you can do that, but you have to specify: you're allowed to say "there's a greater mass of oranges than grapes".

> You are insisting that counting (reason) is the only legitimate way to arrive at the truth.

No one is insisting that one is more "valid" than the other - merely that the conventions of English are used differently depending on whether you care about count or mass. There isn't even a disagreement here! If you say "but the mass of the oranges is greater", any rational person would agree with you, and you should be able to agree back with them: "yes, the mass is greater, but the quantity is less". These two observations aren't contradictory, just measuring different things.

> It is however the one you have faith in.

If you want to communicate, you have to play the same game everyone else is playing.

If you don't believe in rationality and reason, why go on a forum and try making reasonable arguments? Wouldn't "squid purple smiley-emoji" be just as convincing?

I don't understand why so many people in this thread are acting like our existing systems can't handle this.

> Who would be responsible?

Can a reasonable user be expected to predict this behavior? Okay, then the user is responsible. Otherwise, the manufacturer is responsible. Simple.

If my gun kills someone, I'm held responsible. If my gun fires accidentally due to a manufacturing defect, then the manufacturer is responsible.

> The real question is, whose speech?

Free Speech includes the right to use automatic systems to distribute that message - I'm perfectly welcome to write a bot that handles my emails. Spam isn't magically okay just because I do it by hand. Every half-way intelligent person knows that I'm responsible for the bot's speech, or more accurately that it's speech IS my speech.

Since the user can't be expected to predict the output of an LLM, it would be considered the manufacturer's speech. If it's illegal to say "kill yourself", and illegal to write a bot to say it for you, it should presumably follow that it is also illegal to offer users access to an LLM that can produce that output.

If we had a magic wand that prevented situations like WeWork, it would seem like a pretty clear improvement since, again, that billion dollars doesn't just disappear - it instead gets put to more productive uses.

Obviously in reality we don't have any such magic wand, but I think that's the general sentiment behind what you're replying to: the hypothetical replacement company could provide far more than 2,000 jobs with that billion dollars, and then (still hypothetically) all the people working there would have more stability.