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The little experiment in India flopped. Americans from New York, to Nebraska, to Washington hated talking to Sanjay no matter how good the help was. CIOs liked the idea but end users rebelled. Consultancy shot through the roof. CIOs realized that IT Professionals ARE a lot like plumbers... they NEED to be on location.

So great. We see a slow, but steady move to hire IT professionals. Slowly the game is back on.

Google goes through the roof for no real reason.

I begin interviewing and see AGAIN people fresh out of school, fresh out of MCSE boot camps all looking for 80K+. These fucking people don't know what ARP is... You want 80K and you can't tell me what a subnet is? Forget how to calculate them, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS? Is that the 255.255.255.0 thing? FUCK YOU! GET OUT OF MY OFFICE.

So I am seeing everything I saw in the late 90s and 2000. People getting paid WAY TOO MUCH. The fucking bubble burst lesss than a decade ago.

WAKE UP!

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  • You think people will ever learn?

    Come on man! Work with me here.

    Nobody wants to start out in a 25k dead-end job learning the ropes, let's just by-pass all that shit straight into Director level jobs.

    WTF, I mean, I'm 22 years old, I know this shit.

    Seriously though, can you blame them? They're being bombarded with dollar signs everywhere they turn, get your MCSE and make 80k a year. Luckily for me, it's damned near impossible to get into the VOIP field with little or no experience. So, in my search, most
    • you know, its funny. i've been a consultant and working in the development consultancy/services space now for... well 12 years... and i am still learning how this game is played. yeah... i'm now a more "senior" member of any team i'm on, but still... i don't have the chops to be at director level (i think if i kissed more ass i probably would be there, but i don't do small talk, i don't make friends in higher-ups and i refuse to play political games)... so i'm still, for the most part... a code monkey.

      anywa

      • Re:lol (Score:2)

        by trmj ( 579410 )
        I'm entitled to a million dollars just because I want it.

        Doesn't mean I'm going to get it without years of work, doing a lot of shit jobs and making next to nothing. I'm fully prepared to live off of ramen and macaroni and cheese. In fact, I'd rather do that at times and go out for a nice meal than eat semi-nice every day.

        So there is a bit of fairness in my skewed version of entitlement. It's there, it's waiting. You just have to find the right way to get it. Like the water temple in OoT.

        Also, I think I for
      • syas the guy who makes MORE than 3X my salary.

        *sigh*

        if i could do what you do and make only my current salary, it would still be an improvement. Wanna trade?

        You can deal with the office ladies!

        *sigh again*

        *kicks the world*
    • I'm kind of in that end of the spectrum, except with a different attitude. :-) I'm still trying to get more solid experience to put on my resume and that'd be more valuable than the short time pay. I'm building work history rather than trying to get a get rich quick scheme going. I wouldn't mind an entry level position in the right area, but it'd still have to pay enough that I could support a family... Which is a problem. There are very few $40k+ entry level jobs out there (Adjust for your area). I've be
    • Ha, I'm 24, I've been doing this stuff for 6 years.

      I started at a dead-end $8/hr help desk position, and moved up into development/admin after 2 years. I've dealt with various VoIP protocols(SIP, IAX, MiNET), and I don't think I'm qualified to do heavy VoIP work.

      Nor do I think I'm worth 80k a year, even though I not only know what ARP, Subnetting and VPN are, I also know what LLC is.

      I can work in BASH, KSH, PERL, C or C++. I can not only setup I can modify RADIUS daemons like freeradius. I can punch wire
      • Want to know the truth? I wouldn't look at you based on price. I'd assume you were lying.

        Jack your rate up to 35USD/hr... at least.
  • My dad works help desk for one of the military networks. He was telling me last week he got a call from a Commander in the Navy that as soon as my dad answered the phone the officer's first question was "Are you in fucking India???". My dad assured him he was in the United States and everything went smoothly from there.
  • ... when I tell them that I need to go through more than 50 resumes to find a qualified applicant. And those resumes have been pre-screened by head hunters! I'm not looking for something odd-ball. I need people with high level skills in developing for any of the bg for sql platforms (Oracle, DB2, Sybase, and SqlServer) plus midlevel knowledge of Java and enough Unix/Linux knowledge to troubleshoot software installation issues. None of these are esoteric skills.
    • Dude I need a body that knows what VPN does!

      I just can't turn the wrenches AND bring this company up to speed...

      I cannot work anymore fucking hours. I'd pay these douche bags 80K if they were remotely worth it. Fuck, if I thought they'd be worth in 18 mos I'd pay'em 80K now! I haven't met a person worth 60!
      • Dude I need a body that knows what VPN does!

        A VPN huh? VPNs = Virtual Pyrite Nugget. It is very important to sacrifice the occasional goat to the gnomes that make VPNs work. Magic pixie dust is also needed to ensure the 5 9s most customers want. It is very important to remember to secure your VPN, from unwanted pyrite thieves.

        Now that I've described what a VPN is, can I have my 80k? Thanks.

      • VPN? Isn't that the hallucinogenic drug from the sixties?

        I'm right there with you. I can't do everything myself either.

        Why do people that are barely qualified to be "operators" and do jobs like load tapes think they can get hired for more senior roles? And why do people that need to be reminded how to breath think they can get jobs loading tapes?

        If you want a good job, demonstrate to me that you have some understanding! Of anything! Show me a modicum of intelligence! Show me that you have read

      • VPN? You mean that TV Network that shows the Star Trek what with the guy from Quantum leap?

        Oooh oooh and Subnetting is a net dragged behind a submarine.
      • Holy crap, I know my stuff (prof is talking about subnets at this moment, heh), and I am looking at 55k if I am LUCKY when I get out.

        And finding a job is hard as hell anyways, bleck.

        Most of te big companies around here want "MIS" and only pay in the 40k's.

        I am in Seattle, WA.

        in 18months, I would except someone to know damn nearly everything about a topic they have been assigned, heck,t at is what I would expect from myself. Actually I would except that in under 6 months.

        Then again, I think 40 hours is shor
      • I can tell you what a subnet is, but all I can tell you about VPN is it's virtual private networking, which involves tunneling a network connection through an unsecured network using encryption. I know concepts, but now specifics. I guarantee I could learn what you need in 18 months, and if you were willing to pay me $80K/year to find out, I'd move to NYC. But you wouldn't knwo any of that from /., and you don't know me from Adam, so what exactly is the point?

    • I think the problem is that everyone knows the right things to put on the resume, they just have decided it's OK to lie and say that having seen something about that once in a class means they're an expert.
  • Sanjay is my sons name!

  • I'm having the _exact_ same problems. I've been interviewing people and interviewing people and interviewing people and no one has a goddamn clue about anything. And then they want tons of money. No one's aware a junior admin will make around 44, and mid-level admin 55 to 65, a more senior guy around 80, and if you're a god, there's a possibility you can make between 90 and 105, but you better fucking part the red sea during your interview if you want a chance at that salary...

    In short: argh; let's do lunc

    • Awesome. Absolutely.

      I'm starting to think I'm cheap or something. Good to hear!

      Too bad it's not nice out we could do Bryant Park. Used to go there all the time and met Richard there last Summer/Spring? I dunno it was hot.

      We should swap resumes too... :)

      There's Friday's or Heartland or something at the bottom of ESB on 5th right? Hit my gmail.
    • No one's aware a junior admin will make around 44...

      Sweet jesus, am I underpaid, then.
    • I'm somewhere in the mid to senior range (depending on what exactly I'm doing). But I had a heck of a time even getting interviews for mid-level positions.

      Seems everyone around here wants:
      1. Experience in a large environment.
      2. Experience with SANs.
      3. Experience with clustering.

      That or during the phone screen they expect me to know a bunch of obscure options to some obscure command or some arcane config file format off the top of my head (d00d haven't you ever heard of a reference manual? knowing how to ask
      • Is arp that obscure?
        • Um ... no but I really couldn't tell you more than what the basic command and the -a option does off the top of my head.

          My other problem seems to be with the way my brain works ... I can remember all sorts of crap when sitting at a UNIX prompt that eludes me when simply talking to someone over the phone.
  • People are always amazed that I can do the subnet math in my head. And this is IT people, no one else would even know what it is.

    They're impessed, like it's a party trick. Newbs.
  • ...and I will let you pay me $80k to tell you what ARP is. Hell, I will even tell you what it stands for. ;)

    Just please, please don't make me write that Java program again.

    [[I am just kidding, of course. About looking for a job. Or a one-time $80k payment. I am not kidding about the Java program.]]
    • I'll take half of the $80k payment and do the java program. I am fresh out of school, but I'm not so naive as to expect too much money. I am looking for a job and I'm tired of seeing all of these "senior" positions being listed. I know I'm not cut out to apply for those positions.

      I just want to get my foot in the door dammit and make enough to survive without too much worry. It seems like the postings I see go straight from internship to senior level. I've been working a tech support/help desk type job,
  • So what's the position you're hiring for again? *needs a modest pay jump from the $17.50/hr just-outta-school-getting-experience sysadmin slot he's in*

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