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Since I was aware of an FBI study of 36 serial killers conducted in the 1980s, which revealed that 29 of these killers were attracted to pornography and incorporated it into their criminal sexual activity, including serial rape-murder, I wrote to Mr. Pierce, asking if he had "observed a frequent connection between pornography (including stripping) and sexual crimes" and if he would be willing to share his observations in an interview.

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How many violent sex crimes against victims young and old should we tolerate so that libertines and sex addicts can view every form of pornography including--if the ACLU had its way--child pornography? Even with alcohol, we impose penalties on people who drink even small amounts and drive, despite the fact that most people who drink and drive do not cause serious accidents.

It is time to get tough on pornography. Porn is not a victimless crime. Women and children are the innocent victims of porn.

Quotes are from the Link Between Pornography And Violent Sex Crimes.

-Brent

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  • Flawed logic (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Iamthefallen ( 523816 ) <Gmail name: Iamthefallen> on Thursday March 25, 2004 @12:43PM (#8668244) Homepage Journal

    By the same logic, 100% of catholic priests who molested young boys and girls had read the bible. Save the children, ban the bible!

    Or could it be that the people with a perverted sexuality, those who rape, molest and murder, are more likely than average to also view porn? Perhaps porn didn't make them commit these crimes. Perhaps their perversion lead them to both porn and to sexual crimes.

    There are literally millions of people who enjoy porn. Both men and women. There are millions who can handle it without having to commit sexual crimes. Of the millions who watch porn, the percentage which commit sexual crimes is by and large insignificant. However, if we reverse it, the percentage of rapists, child molesters who also watch porn is probably overwhleming.

    • Exactly, what a good analogy thank you for saving me from thinking up something similar.

    • Re:Flawed logic (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Abm0raz ( 668337 )
      100% of Child Pornography Participants breathe oxygen. Therefore I propose a new consitutional amendment to ban breathing Oxygen.

      100% of Child Pornography Participants communicate. Therefore I propose a new consitutional amendment to ban all forms of communication.

      The flaw with Brent's argument is a commonly overlooked one. It is a statistical ratio without an appropriate baysian test. In english, "If 98% of a population that does action A also do action B, what is the probability that those that do A

  • Choice quote (Score:3, Funny)

    by Servo ( 9177 ) <dstringf&tutanota,com> on Thursday March 25, 2004 @12:59PM (#8668537) Journal
    I found that nearly all of my adult sexual addicts' problems started with porn exposure in childhood or adolescence (8 years and older). The typical pattern was exposure to mild porn early with increasing frequency of exposure and eventual later addiction. This was nearly always accompanied by masturbation.


    You mean to tell me people masturbate when looking at porn?!? You're joking right? Thats horrid! lol

  • Moo (Score:2)

    by Chacham ( 981 ) *
    There are many problems with this.

    1) Although many rapists view porn, even to include it in their activities, it has not been shown that it is *why* they did what they did. In fact, quite the opposite can be said. If porn was removed, the people who do not have that outlet might be more inclined to rape when the desire build up to dengerous levels.

    2) Pornography is considered "disgusting" by many, though not necessarily "bad". Alcohol, for example, (when not in moderation) is almost universally excepted a
    • I don't think that alcohol is almost universally accepted as "bad". The Judeo-Christian tradition that I come from (which is widely accepted as the most prevalently professed in this country, and possibly the world) doesn't view it as bad. My church doesn't view it as bad. There are a few churches that do, but most of those don't have large congregations. Most synagogues clearly don't believe it is bad, indeed the local ones here at least are willing to pay higher insurance in order to exercise the righ

      • Re:Moo (Score:2)

        by Chacham ( 981 ) *
        I don't think that alcohol is almost universally accepted as "bad".

        True. And i agree normally. But when not in moderation, it changes, at least for me. I am under the impression that then most people do consider it "bad" in that case, *especally* the religous.
        • Yeah... even me. I think getting trashed once in a while isn't so bad... but doing so regularly is a very bad idea.

          • Re:Moo (Score:2)

            by Chacham ( 981 ) *
            Ah, so we _do_ agree. :)

            I just think most people think this is true as well. And that would be where it differs from pornography.
    • Another problem with using alcohol as an analogy for pornography is that it is easier to observe the effects of alcohol use and define moderate/acceptable use. With pornography this is not the case.

      While it is difficult to establish a causative link between criminal or harmful behavior and the use of pornography, it should not be totally dismissed. After all, it is equally impossible to argue that exposure to media does not change behvior. (If you can prove that media does not change behavior, you will

      • Re:Moo (Score:2)

        by Chacham ( 981 ) *
        Another problem with using alcohol as an analogy for pornography is that it is easier to observe the effects of alcohol use and define moderate/acceptable use. With pornography this is not the case.

        Interesting. There must be many differences. I was thinking of more too.

        With drunk driving, it is the driving that is bad. Any actual damage done is accidental, and the driver will agree. Which means, that in *all* cases drunk driving is bad, regardless of if something happened. However, since something *coul
  • Given the copious amounts of pornography [slashdot.org] that are downloaded/viewed/rented/etc. in this country, you'd think we'd have a army of serial killers slaughtering people in the streets.

    Did it ever occur to you that pornography was the symptom of their sickness, rather than the cause?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: from my warm, lotioned hands!!!

    PS - Have you seen this documentary [pbs.org]? I ope you don't own any securities from porn-peddling Corporate America (spoiler: it's not who you think)! But..but un
    • I'm with Mr.VR here.

      Rapists love porn?
      Its reverse logic. Murders love watching Violent movies. It doesn't mean that if I watch and REALLY enjoy war flicks (I do, btw) that I'm going to be a murder. If a guy watches porn he isn't necessarily going to be a rapist.

      Make sure you know which way the conditional flag is pointing in logic. (Ie - 'Rapist -> watches porn' not 'watches porn -> Rapist').

  • I am not a victim (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Some Woman ( 250267 ) * on Thursday March 25, 2004 @02:50PM (#8670176) Journal
    You know when the phrase "women and children" is involved, the rest of the masturbatory monologue just isn't going to be pretty.

    I normally don't go for the whole "language constructs reality" bit, but this phrase has some fundamentally insulting beliefs behind it. The idea that women even belong in the same category as children offends me. It suggests that I am helpless, unable to tend to myself and my interests. As shocking as this is, I am capable of rational thought, decision making, and standing up for what is best for myself.

    If a 20 year old woman makes a choice to appear in a film naked for money, who are you question her choice? Who are you to decide that she didn't actually know what she was doing, that she didn't actually want to do this, that somebody else was playing on her "childlike" innocence and naivete? And the men appearing with her? How did they come to be "victimized" in such a manner?

    Some say that you're only a victim if you choose to be. Well, I'm choosing not to, and it would be considerate of you to respect that decision. To policy-makers out there: stop doing things in my name, because I refuse to play the part of your hapless victim. When have an issue, I'll speak up for myself, thank you very much.
    • To policy-makers out there: stop doing things in my name, because I refuse to play the part of your hapless victim. When have an issue, I'll speak up for myself, thank you very much.

      Would you speak up for those victims who can't speak up for themselves? The thousands of sex slaves who are forced against their will? The thousands of girls who have been taught that there is nothing wrong with being in this industry, who after being abused and mistreated cannot get out, or already have their lifes ruined?

      • That isn't a porn issue; it's a criminal issue.
        • That isn't a porn issue; it's a criminal issue.

          And that is why I support anti-obsenity legislation.

          -Brent
          • If you want to ban drunk driving, it's more effective to ban drunk driving than alcohol.

            If you want to ban murder, it's more effective to ban murder than guns.

            Likewise, if you have an issue with sex trafficking, take it up with the sex traffickers.
            • Likewise, if you have an issue with sex trafficking, take it up with the sex traffickers.

              What do you mean by that? That means making it illegal to peddle porn, to sell people for sex, to produce porn, and to run adult venues. Sure, these are just symptoms, but how are you going to stop porn if you don't make porn illegal? What crime are you going to charge a pornographer with?

              -Brent
              • That means making it illegal to peddle porn, to sell people for sex, to produce porn, and to run adult venues.

                No it doesn't. None of those require or imply any kind of slavery, except of course the second item which is already illegal and has been for a very long time (unless by "people" you actually mean "yourself"). The vast majority of porn is produced without any form of coercion or manipulation, in exactly the same way as any other film or TV program: you get money, buy filming equipment and studio t

              • I've asked you before and you never responded. Exactly what part of me taking pictures of myself and my wife should be a crime? Who is the victim?

                • Re:I am not a victim (Score:3, Interesting)

                  by bmetzler ( 12546 ) *
                  Exactly what part of me taking pictures of myself and my wife should be a crime?

                  But that shows what I feel is the biggest problem with society today. Everyone only cares about themselves. I haven't been hurt be porn, I'm not going to try to do anything about it. If others are victimized, that's their problem. I've never been raped, so why should I care about victims of rape. Decriminalize it, I say. OJ Simpson didn't kill my wife or girlfriend, so why should I care whether he is punished? It doesn

                  • No Brent, you're confusing the issues here. I am a HUGE believer in personal freedom and responsibility, for everyone.

                    I'm not sure how to explain the difference in a way to make my view clear. But you seem to be mainly protesting sexual slavery, rape, child pornography and you're confusing these non consensual acts with a consensual depiction of a consensual completely legal act.

                    This has nothing to do with what affects me personally. I know and have known more rape and incest victims than I care to count.

                    • I will however turn it around on you, what makes you think that I cannot handle pornography?

                      See, that's the problem. No one is disputing whether you can handle porn. Maybe you can. That's your problem. But you have to beyond just your situation.

                      If the porn industry does result in people being abused and molested, isn't that enough to say that we should do something to stop it? Could you give up your freedom to view porn that involved "strangers" if it meant that we could protect more victims? Or d

                    • If the porn industry does result in people being abused and molested, isn't that enough to say that we should do something to stop it?

                      Yes, if it did in fact result in that. I do not believe it does. I believe deviants are attracted to porn, I do not believe that porn creates deviants. I am very much in favour of cracking down on sex slavery, child pornographers and rapists. But I don't think that banning porn would have any effect.

                      Could you give up your freedom to view porn that involved "strangers" if i

                    • If the porn industry does result in people being abused and molested, isn't that enough to say that we should do something to stop it?

                      Fine. Then abolish the 2nd Amendment and remove all guns. By your logic, no one can responsibly own a fire arm and the gun industry is responsible for tens of thousands of murders every year.

                      And abolish all cars. Because sometimes people are victims of traffic accidents - drunk drivers - hit and runs. By your logic, no one can responsibly operate a motor vehicle and th
                  • I haven't been hurt be porn, I'm not going to try to do anything about it. If others are victimized, that's their problem. I've never been raped, so why should I care about victims of rape.

                    Trying (probably in vain) to insert a tiny bit of logic here, go back and reread what you've just written. All rape has a victim. Not all porn does. Indeed, I suspect the vast majority doesn't. See the difference yet? I can guarantee that porn can be victimless, because I have friends that have made porn, enjoyed it, an

              • Sex trafficking is typically associated with selling people into sex work or otherwise involving them in prostitution/porn without their consent.
              • What is your end goal, to stop violent sex crimes or to stop pornography? If your end goal is to stop violent sex crime, you criminalize violent sex crime. If your end goal is to stop pornography (which is naive, in my opinion, but people have the right to be naive), then criminalize pornography, but don't complain if the Law of Unintended Consequences bites you in the ass...
              • Earlier you described a crime:
                Would you speak up for those victims who can't speak up for themselves? The thousands of sex slaves who are forced against their will?
                and now you ask:
                What crime are you going to charge a pornographer with?
                Kidnapping and rape, of course.
          • And that is why I support anti-obsenity legislation

            I support it, too, but I seriously doubt that what I consider obscene, you do as well.

            I, for one, do not find public nudity outside the constraints of sex (I.e nudists, breast feeding, sculpture, janet's saggy ol' tit) the least bit obscene. The human body is beautiful and I think of it as such. i don't look at it as something to be feared or hidden away. I do find public sex offensive, but not porn. I watch porn. I watch a lot of porn. Hell, I wan
            • Think on that one for a while, because one of my old roommate's sister has a tattoo that I find hilarious, but will offend you to no end: Jesus on the cross getting a hummer from the virgin Mary while Joseph takes her from behind.

              Wow...

              Vanilla Coke, meet monitor. Monitor, meet Vanilla Coke.

      • Re:I am not a victim (Score:3, Insightful)

        by cyranoVR ( 518628 )
        I don't know if you realize it, but right about now you are looking like a chauvanist and a homophobe at the same time.

        First of all, you have placed women and children into the same category: lesser beings needing your protection. For children at least, this attitude makes sense.

        Meanwhile, you have so far ignored completely the plight of homosexual men trapped in the gay porn industry against their will and/or held as sex slaves. What about them? Not important, I suppose.

        My point is: we should be conce
        • we should be concerned about ALL the victims of pornography, not just "women and children." But you apparently don't see it that way.

          I am concerned about all victims of pornography and the sex industry. However, there are many more women and children victimized then men. You have to start somewhere when you are trying to change the status quo, and as you can see from the comments in this JE it's not a popular view to have. I wish the sex industry would disappear. But right now I am going to work on ma

          • I wish the sex industry would disappear. But right now I am going to work on making people see that women and children are molested and abused as a result of the sex industry and work to change that.

            Holy crap - If I disagree with you then I must be *in favor* of women and children being molested and abused by the sex industry!

            Excellent move! Check. And mate?

            "Seriously" - I suspect the "Sex Industry" will disappear when sex disappears...which will be never. So, in the meantime, we could probably ask ou
      • the link you're missing is showing how porn causes the sex slave industry. no one is disputing with you that victims of these illegal actions exist. you just haven't provided any evidence to support your claims that porn is what causes sex slavery or rape or any other sexual crime. like others have pointed out, correlation is not causality. when asked for the proof, you accuse people who disagree with you of not caring for the victims. it makes you appear somewhat thick-headed.

        sex is older than transf
  • which serial killers incorporate into their murders are not the root cause of their sickness. What if some sick individual decides to incorporate his attraction to celebrity by placing Biographies of his(her) favourite actor at the scene of the crime? Should this result in calls for the regulation of Biographies and the restriction of their access to the general public?
  • Since I was aware of an FBI study of 36 serial killers conducted in the 1980s, which revealed that 29 of these killers were attracted to pornography and incorporated it into their criminal sexual activity

    I rather strongly suspect that if you did a study of 36 randomly selected men, something like 29 of them would be attracted to pornography too.

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