wouldn't that require taking and passing a motorcycle test?

Well, er....yes.

But why not if for an e-bike they're talking about licensing, etc those...for which a test would be required too.

And besides the motorcycle test is do a figure 8 in a parking lot and basically you're done....no big deal.

I recall, since I already had my drivers license I didn't have to take any written test just to have the motorcycle endorsement added to my drivers license.....road rules are the same.

And we in the US wonder why all you EU folks actually thing 6-8 hours is some sort of abnormally long driving trip...??

And I said I take usually 1 break in the middle...to refuel, pee and maybe grab a burger (possibly to go) and that generally takes all of 10 minutes....

Citing freedom as a reason to rally against perfectly reasonable common sense legislation is dumb

We, in the US, have PLENTY of sensible common sense laws already passed by legislators...actually probably too many currently.

But why not start enforcing those first...before you start infringing on the rights of people living and using their tools lawfully?

When it's a freedom to own weapons to kill children in schools, it definitely is. Those are the freedoms you like, right?

Strange, narry a single one of my many, MANY firearms have spontaneously gotten up a shot up a school....or harmed ANY human being or animal around me to date.

I keep them all loaded and chambered, especially the ones I carry concealed when out and about....

Hmm...you might just consider the problem is not the tool...but, and follow me on this.....but the human abusing or misusing said tool.....

And speaking of that...when, oh when...will we get:When it's a freedom to own weapons to kill children in schools, it definitely is. Those are the freedoms you like, right?

Sensible Rental truck laws?

Sensible Knife Laws?

Sensible hammer laws?

Sensible....well you get the point.

Most anything can be misused and can (and have been) used to mass kill people.....

Those small minorities of people shouldn't ruin a good thing for the majority of law abiding citizens should they?

If you're going to have to go through the trouble of getting a license and have to register and mount a license plate on the "bike"....why not just go ahead and get a real motorcycle....?

The E-bikes without the hassle of registering, etc were fun for kids and even grownups to scoot around, but if you're going to be treated like a motorcycle, you might as well get a real one and realize the benefits of having a real bike.

I'd just be of the mind of "fuck it"...I'll just get a REAL motorcycle.....

Oh wow. So are you lined up to be a long haul driver then? Surely you are manly enough. We have a huge shortage of drivers right now. Maybe you should talk to a trucker a little bit. The job they do is important and they are proud of what they do. But they are treated horribly.

Nope....I make more $$ doing what I do now for less effort.

But when I drive...I drive for hours at a time with few if any stops....that's why an EV would not suit me or my lifestyle, I could not deal with having to stop and pause 30+ minutes on a 6-8 hour drive, possibly multiple times.....I hit the road and generally don't stop till I get there, except to use 5-10 minutes to gas up and pee midway....

Wow, you allow 8 hours of continuous driving in the US?

(Edit crank comments on child labor)

...In other parts of the world the number is much lower. (EU rules is 4.5 hours with 45min break, maximum 9 hours of driving in any one day with 2 exceptions to 10 hours per week).

It's because in the US we're not all pussies...and we get stuff done.

It's totally different in a place like the US. We have more land than we could reasonably populate and plenty of natural resources. We could absorb enormous numbers of people and we would be better off for it.

No....we have room for people that WANT to assimilate into the US, learn the common language, and believe in what the US stands for....not to come in and tear it down and form into something else.

Wanting to come here and start sharia law....that's a hard NO.

We do not want people coming here that on a basic level disagree with what the US stands for, what the US constitution was set up for, and do not want people that do not want to become a US citizen and embracing what we stand for.....we do not want people coming into the US and staying, that hold loyalty and allegiance to foreign countries and entities over the good will and preservation of the USA.

No....diversity when it includes anti-American feelings and politics are NOT something that is welcome here.

NO...not everyone is welcome nor should they be.

I'd like one, but I just dropped about $4500 on the new Widelux X swing lens 35mm camera that Jeff Bridges and co just released for pre-production this week.

I generally buy myself 1 or 2 nice toys a year and well, this took up one slot.

You haven't priced plane tickets in the past month or so, have you?

Considering what the end price tag for this will be at "completion" (if in fact it is ever completed and running)....I can't imagine ticket prices for this train will be very competitive to the airplane ticket for same destination(s).

All the former Obama agreement with Iran did was say we would watch them from the sidelines till they got a nuke.

Tell me, why did they work so hard to get 60% refined uranium when no one needs that for civilian power generation?

Oh...ok, I was assuming OUR Gulf.

I don't really give a fuck about those Middle East gulfs....they're getting bombed by someone all the time it seems....

Same bombs...different "hats" worn by the bombers.

Not especially newsworthy as that it's a common occurrence over there.

He pointed to the recent bombing of Gulf Coast data centers by Iran as evidence.

Ok...can anyone point to links of any sort of "Gulf Coast data center bombings"....at all much less linked to Iran?

When they want nuclear weapons we start a war with them, but the US can have them, no problem.

Err...yep.

Were you trying to go somewhere with this keemosabie?