Who said anything like that?

You're malfunctioning hilariously. Love how I live in your head for free.

For asking for facts instead of suppositions and speculation?

Jesus Christ you're dishonest.

Tsia

A very nice ideal, certainly.

Look at it from the clothing sellers' point of view - particularly of high fashion: do you think they are going to sell more or less of their clothing if potential buyers can see themselves in those garments? Or are most buyers going to look at themselves, realize they're not model-beautiful or -proportioned, and decide "well if I'm going to look dumpy and average anyway, I might as well just buy some cheap stuff from Target"?

They're in the business of SELLING CLOTHES. At the higher ends a lot of that has to do with fantasy, not reality.

Personally, I don't think AI will solve everything nor do what I've postulated as a what-if.

But I absolutely see why people are chasing it with big dollars. There's a huge POTENTIAL (and I'd say a low likelihood.)

Did you need me to reply or did you just want to keep projecting strawmen of what I think and believe? You can just have the convo with yourself, I'm sure I'll be appropriately evil, etc.

So very, very many lies.

"Just "come here legally" - it's so simple" it really IS that simple. Why didn't they do it that way, again?

""being in the US illegally" is only a civil offense." and? As I said, Illegal.

"your entire economy is built around the existence of these people" - yeah, we probably shouldn't have let them flow in like water, eh?

"who subsidize your government paying taxes on services they're legally barred from collecting" so they pay income tax?

"creating vastly more wealth than they're paid (which then goes back into your economy, because economies are not zero-sum games)" - of which what, 80% flows to their home countries?

"They're also disinflationary, lowering the costs of goods and services" Ah yes, the famous Adam Smith maxim of "more demand = lower prices"

"tend to work in fields that have chronic massive labour shortages (ag, food processing, construction, etc - there's generally a huge labour deficit there)." again, chicken and egg.

"look at what happened to inflation the world over in the years following the COVID pandemic" not sure if you're disingenuous or just stupid. The US gov't vomited "quantitative easing" cash for 2 years. That caused inflation, the 'slashing of production'?

"II the (up to) 3 million a year let in by Mr Biden's open-Democrat-voter, er, -border policy,
That conspiracy theory is (A) illegal, and (B) logistically unfounded.
Illegal immigrants cannot vote (ad nauseum)"
Surely Democrats had a reason for leaving the borders open and functionally unguarded for years? Simultaneously pushing in every state they control to make sure illegals get things like drivers licenses. Oh and - 100% resisting at every turn the requirement to provide ID to vote. Why?
Funny how those things line up to point to what, again?

"Lastly, the "three million per year" number is itself mythical."
https://usafacts.org/articles/...
From 250k per mo mid 2021 to nearly 400k/mo end 2023.
And yes it's "encounters" in the same sense "illegals" are redefined to "undocumented".
Not to mention, it's ALL inferred - you know we don't have a list of the people who AREN'T CAUGHT, right?

Ah, so 'defending people you don't like' as long as they're the people *you* like?

Not at all intellectually incoherent!

That the court later fixed it is indeed laudable. (Thanks to a conservative majority, let's note)

That the GOVERNMENT believed it was perfectly reasonable as a 'first move' is precisely what I'm getting at.

Nonsense.
Powder River basin (MT) has large, quite shallow layers of vast amounts of coal - that's why they use open-pit mines. Those could still quite readily be mined by hand-labor.

Oil (shrug) not really for the US, what we have is only really accessible through very high tech means.
And "forests are self-limiting"...you mean those forests that sustained temperate human habitation up to the 18th century?

The point is that - again, unless you get your wished-for 'deaths of billions' - societal collapse is going to INSTANTLY throw eco-consciousness in the wastebin. You won't get your utopia, it will be the 19th centurly all over again, with steam engines and roiling smokestacks pouring particulates into the sky.

Hahahahah.
An advocate of "Crash on Demand" I see.

The fundamental failing of eschatological environmentalists "if only society would collapse (and if we're being totally honest, billions of humans die) so we can all become Thoreau-ian Noble Savages living in harmony with nature and this time rebuilding society along the lines I want!"... is that you can't comprehend that environmentalism is a pure LUXURY.

If you're starving, you will cheerfully kill the last of that endangered Puffin for some meat. If your children are freezing, you are *absolutely* going to chop down the forest for wood or throw more chunks of coal on the fire because it's the easiest fuel you can find. You're going to build your town as close to the waterline as you can get away with because dragging your boat into the water and the catch (oh look, a dolphin! Yummy!) back up to your house is back breaking hard work every day and you don't give the faintest fuck that the sea may rise 1cm in 100 years.

Perhaps you were too busy being snarky to recognize the real economic realities in your cliche.

"No price is to high to replace labor"
Literally, simply, factually true.
It's called the Industrial Revolution for a reason. It too was about replacing human labor with mechanical devices. While it was disruptive and painful (and there remain consequences we are still dealing with), only the most inveterate Luddite would insist it wasn't worth it to humanity generally.

AI is - potentially - the same. If there are legions of workers* that can be replaced effectively by unsleeping algorithms, they will be. $15/hr x 250hr per year x 30 million people = about $100bn per year. That's asymptotically close to "priceless" to me?

*Ironically, as the industrial revolution was inevitable but was probably triggered/accelerated by nascent concerns for the human rights of the workers, AI/automation has likely advanced in corporate agendas due to the explosion of bottom tier payrolls by the push to $15/hr

It's critical to inject class warfare everywhere even where completely irrelevant?