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Yes, that's exactly why I chose Nvidia, and their much-maligned (not undeservedly) 4060 Ti 16GB. It was the cheapest card suitable for running LLMs. It's much better for gaming than I feared, too, though still not great obviously.

Yes, that's quite pathetic and it's costing them sales, as I know first hand from personal experience. They really need to get that shit figured out. I hope they have it sorted by the next generation, as that's about when I will be in the market again.

No, you wouldn't, you ignored it last time we had a conversation about high bit depths and Linux here. Consequently I'm not going to waste time repeating it here now.

It's unclear why you think manufacturing plants in China would be subject to the USA's clear air act. Could you explain? And also provide a note from your doctor?

It renders in HDR, then it does cute tricks to represent the HDR content on a normal display. This still improves the visuals in both bright and dark areas, accomplishing a huge percentage of what you expect from HDR.

The scare quotes ship has sailed, that's always going to be called HDR.

It does, what it doesn't do is work reliably.

IME they've been problematic when I've tried Wayland. I've been sticking with X11 as a result. It's then disappointing that 30 bpp does not work well with Nvidia with X, but sadly, it really does not. Which returns to, the Nvidia drivers are a letdown compared to the modern OSS ATI drivers. If it weren't for CUDA, I would have gone with ATI in this machine.

Nowhere did I say that X did HDR.

What I said about this being the domain of AMD is that Nvidia drivers for Wayland don't work well. And this is becoming a problem for Nvidia more and more in general, which is ironic because I've always used them specifically because AMD was bad at drivers. Last I looked they still were on Windows, maybe that's better now, but I don't care about that at all.

The other thing I said was that 10 bpp is a requirement for output in the most commonly used HDR Display output format, which is still true.

I still don't understand why you find any of this confusing.

We have every kind of pizza here in California, although if you live in bumfuck, most of it is trash. My favorite in this state so far is Escape From NY on the Haight.

You cannot explain to me what you do not understand.

If they weren't talking about higher bit depth, it wouldn't matter which display system was involved. The most popular format for HDR displays to support is HDR10, which involves 10bpp. You can view HDR content on 8bpp displays, but you won't get full fidelity. Remember Half Life 2: Lost Coast? (Apparently Riven also used HDR techniques, can't say I noticed.)

I can make HDR images on my camera using Magic Lantern, and have done. It uses the technique where they're generated from bracketed exposures. They are striking even on a normal display with a typical color gamut.

Even displays with 8bpp panels can get more out of having a HDR signal (including >8bpp) so even I would like to have it, with my cheapass LG43UT80[00].) Unfortunately, I have an Nvidia card.

Now, what were you saying? I don't remember it being very interesting, but do go on.

I remember exactly what they did, they failed to check their output even slightly, the absolute clowns. It's very basic rules they broke, that even a student can grasp, and they did it while in the kernel.

But as you mentioned, and as I have mentioned repeatedly in the discussions we had around that time (when I was actually impacted by their failure, and Microsoft's bad patch about a week later, good times) they did use eBPF on Linux, but did not use it on Windows even though it was available on Windows as well. Their excuse, as I recall, was that it was insufficiently mature on Windows. This sounds plausible to me, but since I don't know enough about them to know whether it is. Maybe they just hadn't gotten around to it, and it was plenty mature, for all I know. Then again, if they're making a new interface with industry input now, it probably wasn't...

"Chinese companies don't have to follow the US's environmental rules or labor laws."

False. If they do business here, that business has to comply with those laws, for what little they are worth.

I hear more than 8bpp works kind of ok with AMD on X, but it definitely doesn't work well with Nvidia... Which also doesn't work well with Wayland. Looks like users who want HDR can choose between AMD or Intel, and Intel is going away.

I used SCSI a whole lot back in the long long long ago when it was relevant. I had probably four different SCSI HAs in various Windows PCs I owned and also managed some professionally. I stand by my statement.

"Some of their products look like and act like AI."

This is true. For example "Einstein Search" has a catchy and arrogant name and yet delivers shit results even though it's working from your data. It's exactly like AI!

Clownstroke said they didn't use the same functionality on Windows because it wasn't mature, though it has been there for a while. Does this seem true or like an excuse?

Nice cover for the fact that what you said was not true. At all.