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Comment Re:First item on the agenda... (Score 2) 71

I was going to say the same thing.

It's all fun and games until you get hacked.

IoT is a complete security clusterfuck disaster waiting to happen.

I don't "need" my fridge or toaster to be on the internet where some script kiddie can hack it.

Worry not citizen! The Internet of things is perfectly safe. And when it isn't, we have McAfee for Toasters to protect you from the bad guys.

Comment Re:As usual, if its a (D) senator, no mention is m (Score 1) 360

of the party affiliation.....

Don't be a Republican memeist. Every article I have read so far says specifically that she is the daughter of the Democrat Senator from West Virginia.

Tell me is that supposed to mean that she is a Democrat? And everyone from West Virgian is a Democrat, And BENGHAZI! And just to burst another bubble, I'll be that he is a big fan of Coal mining.

Aww hell, I might as well expose that you are lying From the link to the article:

One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.

O hell, lookie here Right here in River city from the Slashdot summary!

One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike. And just to make certain you see it - I know some of you folks need a lot of repetition for the hard stuff to sink in.....One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.

Any questions?

Comment Re:If you are so sure (Score 1) 271

Now I'm not saying that you're exaggerating the amount of work you did in comparison to others (especially those tricksy women, amirite?), but it would be consistent with what we know about human nature and the actual data from the workplace of people who claim to work long hours.

My hours tended to be quite variable. We had 2 meetings a year that were brutal, and I had documented 100 hour weeks. Other times random meetings and experiments might add 10-15 hours. Support functions were really variable, and by nature random. And some times I worked a 40 hour week.

So any claims I might have made to the number of hours I worked, would be brute forced averaging.

note1: might there be a non-genderized clue in there? I thrive on chaos in a positive way. Some others probably hate it with a passion - my better half has next weeks meals and chores planned already.

So someone with children might not do so well with that - even though I would leave work at 5 to pick up the kid from daycare, then come back in. Flexibility. But still, a lot of people crave structure like plants crave Brawndo.

Might women as a group prefer more structure? Maybe - I'll probably catch shit from some quarters for asking the question. Do some lifestyle choices make a difference? Hell, a single mother has a lot less flexibility.

In a forum like this, we can often get slammed into one camp or another. For some, my questions above put me squarely in the patriarchy camp.

It also ignores that I put in a good bit of time in recruiting young women into STEM fields, I put off three promotions in order that a woman get one. A silly HR quota system, and since it didn't affect pay, I was okay with it.

And in the end, when faced with the dilemma that the Ledbetter act places upon employers, I suspect that I would have been moved to an entirely different position, apart from the regular folks. Why they didn't do that in the first place is beyond me. It would have eliminated some folks from being pissed at me, and avoided other issues as well.

Comment Re:Oh yawn... (Score 1) 223

So if he says I prefer BSD license because I don't care about my code

You have a big problem with comprehension. He's not saying it's THE reason why YOU prefer it. He's saying it's a good match IF you don't care what others do with the code. He's talking about what the licence is good for, not about the people who use it.

No, really. I was talking to Linus just the other day over latte's and scones, (such an eclectic fellow our lad is) and he was telling me, "There's this fucking programmer that goes by QuietLagoon, and I can't stand that damned idiot. Always fucking disagreeing with me, and piss on that" (oh, our salty tongued lad, that Linus is)

But he closed with saying "I know this fucking QuietLagoon and his ways. I'll be watching that bastard, because this is personal between me and the him."

Comment Re:If you are so sure (Score 1) 271

Did you miss the bit about "equal work"?

And the definition of equal work is what?

As one person told me when discussing this subject "My bread costs the same as yours. He was in big favor of a Union-like rule that if you are a sheet metal worker, that the newest and most experienced should get exactly the same pay.

I'll note that as he put in more years, it didn't seem quite so fair.

Regardless, there are people out there that demand that.

Let us take the Patriarchy out of the equation and deal with an only female situation

So tell me. A Woman who takes a year off from her position every time she has a child, should she be paid the same as a person in the same job who continued to work those 10 years?

This is not a hypothetical question. We had a staff assistant who over a 10 year period, had three children, and took the max leave each time.

And in an odd twist of equality, she got her her job back each time. While that sounds like the height of equality, that meant that her activity cost three other women their jobs, as the temporary workers lost theirs when she came back.

And if you asked her, almost certainly she will say yes. Her co-workers? Maybe not so much. The three women who lost their jobs? I dunno, they weren't around to ask.

If you were to ask the people who worked with me yet were making a third of what I was - I wonder what their response would be. I know many didn't like it one bit. That didn't cause them to start working harder.

The Ledbetter act, that modifies the Equal Pay act (1963!!) also known as the Fair Pay Act of 2009 shows a prima facie cas as:

Prohibits paying employees in a job dominated by a particular sex, race, or national origin less than employees in another job dominated by the opposite sex or a different race or national origin, if the jobs are “equivalent” and in the same establishment. “Equivalent jobs” means “jobs that may be dissimilar, but whose requirements are equivalent, when viewed as a composite of skills, effort, responsibility, and working conditions.”

An affirmative defense to the charges has to be

“Factor other than sex” – employer must prove: (1) such factor is either job- related with respect to the position in question or furthers legitimate business purpose; and (2) that such factor was actually applied and used reasonably in light of asserted justification. Employees could rebut legitimate business purpose defense by demonstrating that an alternative employment practice exists that would serve the same business purpose without producing such differential and employer has refused to adopt such alternative practice. It's rather difficult to find the actual contents, with most people simply siding into their camps and battling it out.

So I think the woman who had all the children in short order, might actually have a case. Why should she be paid less than teh other women who did not make the choice to do that?

And as for the law, as I see it, my seniority or work skills are not applicable under the new law, a woman or whatever gender one feels like using, who refuses to work any more than 40 hours a week will have a successful lawsuit. Based on our genders - no one owuld ever expect her to say it wasn't gender based. Thoughts?

Comment Re:If you are so sure (Score 1) 271

I do not know all of the details of this equal pay business, so I could be talking out of my ass - wouldn't be the first time. But its not remotely cut and dried. Let's hope it doesn't become a least common denominator situation.

What, you think everybody is going to be at risk of getting the same pay, across the board?

Sure, whatever.

Meanwhile, my local police department just had to settle a lawsuit for over half a million dollars because of pay disparities. Some people got paid more. Some people got paid less. And there was ZERO explanation for it.

The pay was just different.

I reprinted your post because it was so interesting. Despite your "sure whatever part, your post in the next paragraph offers the disproof of what you say.. If no one knows why, it might have been to pay everyone the same. But hey! Whatev.

Comment Re:Cool (Score 1) 271

Fuck me, I'd forgotten how fucking awful comments on this site are.

Oh well. It's been nice, Slashdot. But I think we're done.

Trigger warning! Someone's about to post something......

SRSLY? Entitiy, if that comment pushed you over the edge, you sersiously need a safe area where no one dares utter a word you disagree with. That wasn't even designed to upset anyone.

If I knew you needed something to piss and moan about, I'd do a lot better than that post. I haz mad skillz.

Comment Re:If you are so sure (Score 1) 271

That's all good, but it still doesn't answer the question of how you suffer if someone else doing the same job makes as much as you.

Then we have to define Job and work. The job that a bunch of others and myself had was the same. The work we did? Along with one other guy who are professional and willing to put in extra. We did a helluva lot more work than the rest of them.

Which is all to say, if someone with the same job was doing as much work as I was, I don't have a problem if it was female, black, hispanic, gay transgender or a bunny rabbit.

If someone with the same job was doing much less, such as refusing to work anything other than 8-5, refusing to go on field trips to work, refusing to work the meetings, then yes, I do have a problem with them making as much as me for doing significantly less work, end especially less of the more demanidng work.

And while not all co-workers were like that - there was another guy who was seriously competent that I woked with, most of the others were not.

And there is an inconvenient truth that only two of the women were willing to do anything other than minimum. Those two were as hard working as my deceased frind and myself. Hell for big meetings, I would often finish people's work for them that would not otherwise be finished in time. This was known to management, and another reason for the pay differential.

So the question might be reversed, should everyone with the same job description be paid exactly the same, regardless of work output or experience?

That by the way, is as equal an inequity as the opposite.

Comment Re:Cool (Score 1) 271

Yeah. I've survived several layoffs. A big part of that was being the one that was fixing the issue at 5:01pm. And may or may not come in the next day. It takes a while for mgmt to learn to trust an employee for one to be able to do that. Typically when they gain that trust the emp will get changed from hourly to salaried.

There are rewards, and they aren't that insignificant. It's good to see someone else here on Slashdot that has this figured out. Seems like most of these people hate work and their employers so much that they turn their careers into self fulfilling prophecies.

Comment Re:Cool (Score 1) 271

Your countries IT pay laws are fucking stupid.

In my country if you work 40 hours, you get paid for 40 hours, if you work 60, you get paid for 60.

Why would anyone in their right mind work 60 hours to get paid for 40? That is beyond retarded. You are actually a retard for working more than you are paid for.

Because my little sweet potato, if you had paid attention, I was getting paid a lot more than if I was paid their wages plus overtime. I may be a "retard", but I can definitely do better math than you can.

Aside from that, I was a professional.

Comment Re:Cool (Score 1) 271

It i very common that unmarried/kidless people get asked to work extra, whereas their married counterparts do not. Everyone thinks it is more evil to ask a parent to sacrifice family time for work than to ask some reproductive failure who would just be wasting that free time anyway (though they don't consciously think of it in such terms).

While I understand where you are coming from, I managed to have my long work week, have a wife and 1 child and even play Ice Hockey and be president of the local Youth Ice hockey league. It was a lot of work, and I was probably capable of a bit more of that than the average person. I don't sleep all that much. That's why I never had much sympathy for the people who are "too busy".

It is considered even MORE evil to ask a mother to sacrifice family time, because mothers are sacred in our society.

And that is okay, as long as people understand that if a woman makes the choice to have her family take precedence over all else, it's okay. Or a guy even.

But I draw the line at the place where someone decides that the person with other priorities must be paid the same as me. Probably the best example of why I have that opinion was when there was a tight deadline, and the evening before, I got to stay late and finish other people's work who couldn't be bothered to finish it themselves. Happened a lot.

Yeah - they should be paid the exact same wages as me? I don't think so.

Comment Re: You forget that (Score 2) 271

I agree there is no difference morally, but there is a big difference societally. A female who decides all men are rapists gets rewarded with Title IX kangaroo courts in universities where the man's right to trial by jury is denied.

By the way, in the citadels of learning where much of the misandry is enabled, there are cracks in the foundations. The University of Chicago sent a letter to all incoming students that included in part:

"Our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so-called 'trigger warnings,' we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial, and we do not condone the creation of intellectual 'safe spaces' where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at adds with their own," the letter from Dean John Ellison said, sent Wednesday to the class of 2020.

"Members of our community are encouraged to speak, write, listen, challenge and learn, without fear of censorship," the letter also said. "You will find that we expect members of our community to be engaged in rigorous debate, discussion, and even disagreement. At times this may challenge you and even cause discomfort." Full text

The problem of course is that in earlier attempts to be inclusive of other viewpoints, Universities have found that many of those who desired inclusiveness had no intention of granting it to others. Not only that, but the denials of expression that the snowflake crowd demanded started to extend into ridiculous areas, such as chasing comedians off campus, and while one could find Bill Maher offensive - of course, that's what he's trying to do, be offensive , funny and make you think, but their outrage extended to Jerry Seinfeld. Seinfeld and others don't even play college campuses any more.

The snowflakes even extended their umbrage unbrella toward Halloween costumes. They would deny others what they demand for themselves.

This might be coming to an end, as Universities are figuring out that the model is a tyranny of the presumably oppressed. Expect to see the whackadoodle element scramble to find other places where they can act all outraged.

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