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On the destruction left behind by Katrina. And what is it? A CLASS WAR!!!! The rich were evacuated, because they had transportation. The poor were not- and after 5 days have lost hope. Some of them are shooting at rescuers, at helicopters, at ambulances. The reason they're doing it is obvious- with no mass media at all, and so much destruction, and the obvious delay in sending help, they've made the logical conclusion that the United States has abandoned them to their fate. If I was poor- and in that situation- I'd be a looter too. Of course, I'd be going for the 5" B&W that also gets radio frequencies, not the 4-ft-widescreen, and D batteries, and food, and weapons, and whatever drinks I can lay my hands on. And I'm also the type who'd set up a fortress and invite the neighbors in, until such a time that the government actually does restore some ability to get about (perhaps by fixing the levee). Oh yeah, and I'd loot a boat- if I could find one that was seaworthy.

What would you loot? Would you be as distrustfull of the government as these people have become?
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  • Food first. Then water and supplies with which to purify water (boiling or otherwise treating it shouldn't be too terribly difficult). Batteries next (Angie needs them for her implant) and ammo. As much of the last as I could carry. I'd share the food and water, but I'm keeping enough for me and mine.

    Essentially, I agree with setting up a fortress manned by people I know. Since the gubmint shows no sign of performing as such, we'll have to do it on our own.

    Looters? That's a term I save for the Halliburton's

  • Ideally (Score:2)

    by ces ( 119879 ) *
    One needs to be prepared beforehand.

    Of course if you are poor you probably don't have disaster supplies on hand, but it is something to think about.

    Definately going to look into geting an amature radio license, getting a handheld, and participating in ARRL disaster comm drills.

    I need to re-up my first-aid cert.

    Also going to look into taking some firearms classes and buying a rifle and a shotgun.

    This is in addition to stocking a weeks worth of water, food, batteries, first aid kit, and ammo.
    • Also going to look into taking some firearms classes and buying a rifle and a shotgun.

      Except that there are reports that legally owned firearms in parts of Biloxi are being confiscated.
      • Also heard the owners of a produce business in New Orleans were arrested because they were guarding it from looters with semi-auto rifles. They were giving out the inventory before it spoiled they just weren't letting anyone inside.

        Apparently after they were hauled off looters set the place on fire. This is part of the row of warehouses that are now burning along the waterfront (and is likely the point of orgin)
      • Forgot to add a certain amount of common sense applies. Keep the guns ready but out of sight until you need them. Put them out of sight again when they aren't needed.

        The authorities are understandibly somewhat more jumpy than normal and have no way of knowing you aren't one of the fuckheads starting trouble. Don't give them a reason to worry.

        If they really want to take your guns, let them and don't argue. You can go after their asses in court later.
    • Of course if you are poor you probably don't have disaster supplies on hand, but it is something to think about.

      It's hard to put in disaster supplies when you are living paycheck to paycheck. Heck, sometimes you need to EAT the disaster supplies when you're living paycheck to paycheck- my 2-month supply that I had before Y2k is down to about a 2 week supply, and dwindling, since I'm now to the point of living paycheck to paycheck in my post-bubble career.

      Also going to look into taking some firearms cla
    • Get a CB (citizen's band) radio... if you already have a CDL (driver's license for larger vehicles than cars and vans) you will probably be overlooked if the FCC ever bitches about unlicensed operators... Get a CB, they're cheap, and CB broadcasting is free for all within a five mile radius, with only common courtesy rules being enforced, mostly by people telling you to STFU if you get offensive. They're relatively powerful, and can be operated on a relatively small battery (car battery, etc), or, if you'
      • Get a CB (citizen's band) radio... if you already have a CDL (driver's license for larger vehicles than cars and vans) you will probably be overlooked if the FCC ever bitches about unlicensed operators... Get a CB, they're cheap, and CB broadcasting is free for all within a five mile radius, with only common courtesy rules being enforced, mostly by people telling you to STFU if you get offensive. They're relatively powerful, and can be operated on a relatively small battery (car battery, etc), or, if you're
        • You really do believe that anything OUR government is involved with can be a "good" thing?

          So far they can't even put fires out at home... and they lie non stop... and let their own "constituents" die... even the eastern european communists weren't much worse, now that I think about it. At least they pretended to care and were actually CONVINCING (unlike bush and co.).

          Good luck with the drills man. Hope they don't let you fend for yourself when the shit hits the fan. But I'm sure you already do... (heh, e
          • ARRL has *very* minimal government involvement. That's why it's "amature". The only involvement the government has with ARRL is the original licensing. That licensing is provided cheap to ham radio operators for the EXPLICIT purpose that their hobby turns into public service in times of emergency- providing short-wave communications in places that have no other form of communication. The government does NOT dictate how they do this- other than that they learn morse code and can send/receive morse with m
  • ...there's no mention of any banks being looted yet. Seems to me a small well armed gang could have gotten to one or two by now. Then a boat, then adios.

    with that said, I've always been a survivalist. I have multiple years worth of food stashed and etc etc etc. I have lived it,taught it, written about it extensively and still very occassionally do a contract to develop a plan for people.

    I think if I lived someplace like that I'd buy a houseboat and have it sitting on a foundation. Live in that thing. Floods
  • I don't think I would need to loot for a while. At least, not for personal consumption.

    I've got emergency reserves of food, ammunition, water purification supplies, batteries, as does my roommate. With proper rationing these supplies could last about six months.

    Many of my neighbors have already decided if a state of emergency was declared they'd be right over. Most of them are woefully unprepared, so looting will probably be necessary.

    Life sustaining medication, food, water, ammunition, and a firearm for an
    • And we're the lucky ones, to a large extent. My supply is down to about two weeks after skimping on groceries to pay other living expenses over the last few years though. So I've got some idea of both sides of the story- living paycheck to paycheck has taught me that survivalism can be a luxury that some people can't afford- therefore in a city like New Orleans where the people that are left behind in an evacuation are the people who haven't been able to find jobs for years, looting becomes neccessary.
  • One of our friends mentioned something today I hadn't noticed. In Asia after the tsunami, the survivors immediately took charge of their lives and began walking toward areas where they thought they could find help. We see this time and again in other areas of the world: when disaster strikes, people take charge, leave the area and go somewhere else.

    What happened in New Orleans? When the hurricane struck, people sat and waited for the government to bring them aid. Then, when people thought no help was coming
    • They DID walk toward where they thought they could find help in New Orleans. The problem was there was no help there. If you look at the pictures I doubt some of those people could have walked much further. Many were old or otherwise infirm.

      Don't forget that out of the thousands of refugees trapped in New Orleans very few were involved in looting and of those looting many were only taking necessities like something to eat and drink.

      Still even a few hundred fuckheads can create tons of problems when there is
      • Also there were a lot of people who couldn't go anywhere because they were trapped. Of course those weren't the ones causing problems.

        Except, apparently, the ones at the convention center trying to break into the kitchen- there was a very wierd story of national guard troops protecting the kitchen there.
        • Hey I can understand them trying to get into the kitchen. They were hungry and wanted food. I understand the logic though I would probably try to find a somewhat less defended source of food.
          • Why should any source of food be defended to begin with? It's not like you're going to save any of the buildings in NO anyway- the whole place is going to be bulldozed to the ground in a couple of months after they pump the water out. It's not like any of the non-human items are going to be saleable- they'll all be insurance claims. It's not like some idiot looting a 87" big screen TV is going to be able to leave NO with it- he'll be lucky to be squeezed onto a bus that holds 250 people with 300 other pe

  • Easy enough (Score:1)

    by mfh ( 56 )
    I'd loot a Katana for sure, because we all know that one of those is badass in riots. You can't depend on guns very well if they get too wet. You shouldn't waste ammo shooting at just anyone.

    But a katana could certainly fuck up anyone stupid enough to get close to you to try and take your shit.

    I might loot a really fucked up costume too. A giant rat costume.

    People would run away!!!!

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