Well too bad you're going to get a regular old Nazi from planet Earth.

Apparently his family has actual ties to Nazis from his original country too. Can't say I'm surprised but here we are

They are talking about imaginary Doomsday scenarios to distract from actual major problems coming down the pike.

There's the obvious massive amounts of water and electricity being used at a time when we keep disrupting energy markets for stupid reasons and we're in a constant state of drought for well understood and equally stupid reasons.

But the big problem is AI is a massive automation push. In a world where if you don't work you don't eat we are doing everything we can to eliminate work.

Eventually it's going to erode the tax base and the spending base. There won't be enough money in the economy to sustain it. And it will start to collapse.

And remember no matter how good a shot you you're going to run out of ammo before the world runs out of desperate people with nothing to lose.

No one fed it to me I figured it out myself.

It wasn't hard. The isps are pretty open about wanting to do away with net neutrality and what they're going to do if they pull it off.

Companies have these things called industry groups where they get together and talk about all the nasty things they want to do to us. It is generally out in the open because a lot of folks, yourself included, don't like to think about all the nasty things that they would do to us if we didn't have a huge number of laws against that and a shitload of bureaucrats policing them.

Incidentally you have also been trained to hate bureaucrats. That is on purpose. White collar crime is not enforced by a gun and a badge it's enforced by a clipboard and notebook paper.

It is hardly a surprise that a criminal would put effort into undermining or bribing whoever is enforcing the law. It's really obvious when a cop is on the take it is less obvious when a revolving door makes a bureaucrat look the other way or worse and honest bureaucrat enforcing the law gets fired and replaced by a corrupt one by a political appointee...

That was the entire purpose of the law it was to maintain the status quo which is net neutrality.

The purpose of the law was to put isps on notice that they would have a fight on their hands if they started violating net neutrality. And while they have poked at the edges laws like this have mostly prevented them from doing the really nasty stuff.

What you have here is called a chesterton's fence. It is a fence that you don't take down unless you understand why it was put up. I'm not talking about net neutrality I think at this point we all know it. I'm talking about this specific law. You don't take this law down without knowing why it was put up and I explained that above so I think it's safe to say we don't want to take this law down.

I am of course taking for granted the Trump is wrong but I think that's one of the safest bets in human history. The Man known as the king of debt who is bankrupted everything he's ever touched and is only not homeless because he was laundering money for the Russian mob is not someone I would seek legal advice from.

But thanks for the useless outrage porn. They will sue and they will win because the letter of the law is pretty fucking clear here and Trump does not have the authority to do this but they will waste a huge awount of energy fighting Trump.

Voters will get angry at democrats for doing nothing but not at Republicans for actively harming the country.

This is something Democrat strategists have been complaining about. Specifically if you're a republican you can get up on stage and yell God and country! And get votes.

The exact same thing does not work for democrats. Democrat voters could care less about your religious affiliation or how stupidly patriotic you might be. Democrat voters expect results and that would be fine if the Democrats could deliver results but it's really hard to do that when the other party is actively sabotaging the country and has been since newt Gingrich created the contract with America as a unified policy of blocking the Democrats from doing any good while doing active harm whenever the Republicans happen to get any power

And because we have all been conditioned to revile partisan politics when you point this out people just dismiss it. Almost as if someone was actively trying to do that for a reason ...

I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm a conspiracy analyst.

AI automates 20 or 30% of all jobs. This causes a feedback loop. There isn't enough consumer spending and enough tax base anymore to maintain civilization. Police and fire can no longer be funded and things basically collapse. The ultra wealthy take their ball and go home which is to say they take all the money and all the civilizations and they use ai-powered drones to bomb the shit out of anyone who shows up looking for scraps.

Eventually a demagogue comes along and organizes the masses into an army. We have a massive war that makes world War II look like a slap fight.

Sooner or later a bunch of religious lunatics get their hands on nuclear launch codes. The missiles on to maintained but they can be launched and it doesn't matter where they hit there are so many that they can completely fuck up the environment making it uninhabitable for the human race. You could basically set them off in silo and it would still Doom us all they are so powerful and so numerous. We have of course while things were collapsing somehow come up with the money to build more nuclear weapons.

Anyway those firecrackers go off and a bunch of religious lunatics celebrate the Apocalypse because they misread a holy book and we all die. In 300 million years raccoons evolved and take over and do the whole thing again

Space was supposed to be the one place humanity didn't fight in for lots of reasons.

It's not even hallucinations it's pump and dump it's all just a scam to loot our 401ks.

Go to YouTube and look up Patrick Boyle and SpaceX. The entire thing is a scam. There is no path to profitability except through taking your retirement savings. The whole system is designed to force you to invest in a company that cannot possibly be profitable enough to pay back the investors except for the people at the very top who have been structured to make sure they get out with lots of your money.

Trump knows what he's doing is extremely unpopular and so did a republicans. He knows that there are limits to how much he can screw over voters. His base will vote for him no matter what no matter how bad their lives get because of him that's only about 30% of the population. Voter suppression can make up another 5 to 7%, but that's as much as you can get out of it before it becomes obvious that your election system is rigged and the courts can't ignore it anymore.

Trump is hoping Iran would have their state backed actors do a terrorist attack and he could ride that into a third term like Bush road 911 into a second term.

We know this is the case because right before he attacked Iran he gutted several US anti-terrorism agencies and put a 22-year-old kid who used to bag groceries in charge of what was left.

There are limits to incompetence. At a certain point it's malice.

We also know that Bibi knew October 7th was coming and let it happen. You can probably guess why.

The real problem for Trump is Iran didn't take the bait. They have much better control of their assets and they prevented them from doing any unnecessary attacks. So now they control the straight and all the cards and all Trump can do is try to wait until after the midterm and then give them $300 billion US taxpayer dollars in reparations to open the straight again.

Want to get us all wearing glasses because we'd be walking around creating a surveillance network. Americans don't like the idea of the government running a surveillance Network so we're building our surveillance Network with Private industry and then the government taps into it with private contracts.

Americans have this weird thing where they don't care how much they are oppressed or how much the boot is on their neck as long as it's a privately owned boot. The idea of that the billionaire is getting together on their golf course is a de facto government is way too complex and abstract idea for most people. And try explaining a power vacuum to them or what happens if you don't have a powerful central government...

The way I've tried to explain it to people is imagine that in the center of the town is a giant box of guns and ammo. And anyone can just pick up the guns and ammo. And you decide that guns are dangerous so you don't pick one up. That means a handful of your neighbors can grab all of those guns and now you have to do what they say.

Large governments are the box of guns. They are an inevitability. They are up there with the nuclear bomb as inventions of humanity that once we got it we were stuck with it. You either pick up that gun and take part, which is to say you take an active role in your state and federal government and understanding it is best as you can and the systems that need to be built to make it functional. Or somebody else comes along and takes all that power for themselves and uses it against you.

The solution a lot of people come up with to deal with government is the same solution people come up with to deal with nuclear weapons which is just do away with them. And yeah that would be great. Sit down with a real anarchist sometime and they will tell you for hours how great that would be.

Except it never works because sooner or later some rich asshole builds an atomic bomb or sets up the same power structures as government and doesn't call it government.

None of that refutes the OP's claim. Anyone paying attention KNOWS that OpenAI and similar corporations are pursuing the most damaging, sociopathic solutions they can develop and that there has been a body count as a result. That's for the grotesquely long testimony to what is already known.

That doesn't mean LLMs *will* deliver AGI OR will ultimately be a threat to humanity. LLMs can't do anything, it's agents that do the dirty deeds. An agent can operate a gas chamber regardless of the model it connects to for instructions, an LLM only provides instructions. Sam Altman wants the agents, he is realizing the money isn't in the LLMs alone.

"Training" means something specific with regards to LLMs. Why do you associate this issue with training when it is almost certainly something else?

I think your comments are particularly insightful, but they seem directed to a larger problem of overall architecture of a solution and not to how generation of weights of neuron interconnections are produced. It's a fundamental technology problem, not a training problem.

No, it does not, and your links do NOT support any claim that LLMs have intent or will. Reasoning perhaps, but that is poorly defined.

"But that is just what the large commercial LLMs do. "

It's what large commercial AI systems do, LLMs are just a portion. Otherwise, I agree, LLMs cannot practice deception because they do not have intent.

Models don't "tell you" anything, models generate outputs when given inputs. Deception implies intent, models do not have intent. This is more anthropomorphizing.

The provided links present arguments supporting the idea that LLMs, transformer models, reason in a manner similar to the brain. That's all great and interesting, but it's not an argument that LLMs "deceive" and that they know it when they are doing it. Deception requires motivation, LLMs do not have motivation.

Brains exist for one purpose, to survive. Brains are wired up to the body in order to both control it and to sense the environment, they use this to enact their biological programming. LLMs have ABSOLUTELY NONE of this, they may process tokens in a manner than the reasoning portion of the mind does, but the brain is vastly more than merely a reasoning portion.

For an LLM to be devious, it needs a goal that benefits from deception. Where would that come from? Who is being deceived and why? An LLM, to deceive, needs a target for the deception, yet the LLM has no perception of an environment that could provide such a target.