Oh, but surely they'll win, they indicted [strike]a ham sandwich[/strike] this man! And the Trump administration has such a spectacular record with high-profile prosecutions thusfar...

That is not what they found. What they found is that if you spend 60 minutes doing the homework with AI, you learn approximately as much as someone who spends 60 minutes doing it without AI. If you spend 20 minutes doing it with AI, you learn as much as someone who spends 20 minutes doing it without AI. Etc. The only real difference is that the AI people get way better homework scores, and as a result, tend to stop spending as much time, and thus tend to learn less.

That's what this preprint study found.

100% this. Even a short 5-minute quiz with just a couple questions at the start of each day will do the trick. But you simply can't rely on homework scores to be a proxy of learning or time spent studying anymore. Brief daily quizzes on the previous day's material will force them to.

Also, It's not like students have the excuse of, "I couldn't study, I didn't have anyone to explain X to me" anymore. The very AI that they might otherwise use to cheat on their homework can also explain to them the things they missed in last year's algebra class that are blocking them from learning this year's calculus, or whatnot. Congrats - you now have an infinitely patient personal tutor who will spend hours dumbing things down for you until you get it. Now you have no excuse - learn the material. It becomes all about actually putting the time in.

Yeah. There's been widespread misrepresentation of this (preprint!) in the media. What they actually found: test scores correspond to how much time you spend doing homework, regardless of whether you use AI or not. Which should not be a surprising result! Of course, the AI people, esp. those who had been using AI for more than a few months, stopped spending much time on their homework, and then their test scores fell to match the non-AI users who didn't spend much time in their homework either.

The TL/DR is, in today's age, you cannot use test scores as a proxy of how much time a user is studying or knows the material.

There are of course some caveats, beyond the fact that it's just a preprint - notably that there's nothing to separate why the user started using AI to do their homework, so there's potential confounders in there. For example, if a student is in a poor family, maybe they had to get a job to help pay the bills. But working a job itself can lower test scores - for example, having to work late the night before an exam. So there are some confounder problems with the study. That said, I'm sure the general conclusion is correct: time spent doing the thing = amount of learning the thing (relatively independent of what tools you're using in the process).

Carrier pigeons? RFC 1132 (my fav).

You'll get my 56k modem when you pry it from my cold, dead hands (ok, it's in the box behind me, with the 40-pin cables...)

You're an ideological asshole.

"Moral panic"? So, they're not building, or want to build, a lot of datacenters where there's been drought for several years? UTAH? Or that industrial farming as it's done in the US has been drawing down the aquifer in the Great Plains to where they were already worrying?

And, of course, you're posting from the basement, having never seen, much less driven by a datacenter. I have been INSIDE a "normal" datacenter, at the NIH, and would have loved earplugs, but I had to speak to the person I was working with. Look around, there's a ton of recordings of what it sounds like driving by one. AND the vibration.

All of that, of course, ignores the fact that in three years, all the installed hardware will be obsolete, and the entire innards rebuilt (if they have the money, and the crash hasn't happened). And the tax breaks they want will NEVER be paid for.

So bugger off, ignorant troll

Hell, no. A week or two ago, we were coming back at night, and my wife, in the navigator seat, hit the map... and I suddenly have this REALLY BRIGHT SCREEN in the middle of my dash, and it's dark out - I was havintg trouble seeing the road.

And, of course, I looked around, and there's NO WAY to stop "Your Sirius Trial Has Started" *every* time I turn on the engine. And there was the story on /. the other week about BMW showing ADS (do not own a BMW)...

Actually, *I* AM a socialist. And you're a "Democrat" like I'm the King of England.

You're an ignorant fascist who has NO IDEA what the words socialist (or communist, for that matter), and think it's a naughty word.

Why you're on sladhdot, "news for nerds", when you wouldn't be caught dead in the RW with nerds - you're so stupid that you're not getting paid to post this propaganda. Go away, and enjoy your $4.50/gal gas, and the price of a restaurant meal is 150% of what it was before your deity chased all the farmworkers out of the US.

I first got an account more than a dozen years ago, because that was the only way to find someone selling their Worldcon membership.

Then it turned into the only way to get my kids to talk to me, and friends who don't check their email for two weeks at a time.

Then my first novel, and later my second novel were published (small press, fuck self-publish), and as a writer, I *had* to be there.

I LOATHE it. They're all "devops", meaning that they break things constantly and fix them (partly) IN PRODUCTION.

Training a chatbot on a song means that the chatbot can play the song. And anyone can ask said chatbot to play it, meaning it *is* distribution.

Now, about how much the musicians will get from this is another story.

You mean Stalin. You should get it right, even if the Russians paying you don't approve of putting down Stalin.

I feel like I'm in a constant race to flee enshittification : Used to use Cursor (it's still my only option at work), but then Musk bought it, and they instantly went in on hard-sell tactics. Switched to vscode + copilot + OpenRouter, but was getting concerned about API costs. Just yesterday I set up a Tencent TokenHub account with their Max package, which required that I switch off copilot if I wanted to be able to use some models like Kimi K3 (had a temperature=1.0 requirement, copilot doesn't let you set temperatures and hardcodes them to very low), so now it's vscode + Pi + TokenHub.

Sigh. Please don't make me move again...

(Not that Tencent is in any way "the good guys"... but they're also providing a very generic product)

Oh, you mean like Faux Noise laughing about Pelosi's husband being attacked with a hammer? Or about the ASSASSINATION of the Minnesota legislator, her husband, and her dog?

First, you flunked elementary school English. If you hadn't, you would have written "DemoCRATS".
Second of all, you don't want your tax money going to politicized instittutions? You mean like 47 trying to not send money for disasters, etc, to states that voted against him? You mean like a POLITICIZED DOJ, that's going after HIS perceived enemies? Like attacking Fauci, while brain-worm eaten, drug user is head of HHS? Shall I fucking go on?