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Comment Re:Sensationalist fearmongering and attention whor (Score 1) 164

Sorry, but I totally agree with the original post. The title is "Ubuntu 0day world of hurt". The reality is "Ubuntu12.04, no privilege escalation". That is not a serious issue, and even the author acknowledges it, so please hush big boy.

The Author said: "I like to prove that vulnerabilities are not just theoretical—that they are actually exploitable to cause real problems,"
Care to share what you're basing your perspective off of? Mr Evan's actual detail *is* a long read and I fully admit I grazed it and may have missed something.

The main users of ubuntu 12.04 are mostly servers (so not likely to be affected) and the EOL is near anyway.

I'm going to presume you meant Ubuntu 16.04, and note that you're nitpicking on one of the two distributions highlighted. Regardless of the user spread between server and desktop (that was also noted in the article), are you implying that there's not enough Ubuntu 16.04 users to matter? That because it's near EOL, a zero-day exploit doesn't matter? There's exploits happening everyday that don't require privilege escalation, yet they frequently cost companies large amounts of money and time. Your definition of "serious" leaves much to be desired.

Comment Re:Sensationalist fearmongering and attention whor (Score 1) 164

...if you just install this normally not installed software...

As has already been addressed multiple times above, the package involved is installed by default in the listed distros and more.

Just file the bug and let them fix it, till then just stfu.

How about you RTFM and understand what you're talking about, till then hush little child. Consider that the sensational title is intended to get attention on an actual threat, and past the willful ignorance of persons such as yourself.

Submission + - 0-days hitting Fedora and Ubuntu open desktops to a world of hurt (

An anonymous reader writes: It's the year of the linux desktop....getting pwned. Chris Evans (not the red white and blue one) has released a number of linux zero day exploits, the most recent of which employs specially crafted audio files to compromise linux desktop machines. From the story:

"I like to prove that vulnerabilities are not just theoretical—that they are actually exploitable to cause real problems," Evans told Ars when explaining why he developed—and released—an exploit for fully patched systems. "Unfortunately, there's still the occasional vulnerability disclosure that is met with skepticism about exploitability. I'm helping to stamp that out."'

Comment Re:who wants it? (Score 1) 400

But if it floats your boat, go right ahead. Just don't expect to gather many proselytes on the way, and get used to talking to yourself. I doubt you'll find many others to exchange your experiences with... :-)

Well, definitely not here. And I dare not mention where the lively discussions occur, Slashdot is not known for the good manners of it's commenters.

Comment Re:who wants it? (Score 1) 400

Sure, you may have a point on that particular issue. You are after all talking about a system that was made up from whole cloth by one entity recently, not an older system that grew organically over time at many places, with input from many people.

And yet it *IS* the particular issue you chose to pick on.

And "info" didn't really take off. Why? Because man pages are just "good enough". They're certainly not so bad that it would motivate someone to change platforms to windows (not even "info" it turns out).

This thread is discussing which is easier to learn. "Good enough" is NOT good enough in this context. It may be good enough for a veteran to the tool who simply needs a reference, but it's horrid to Joe Newbie trying to learn *nix for his computer career. You put both of them in front of Joe Newbie, and it might actually trigger that change you think impossible.

And that's why we do not care one iota that MS moves powershell to Unix. And why we likewise don't care much about arguments about its superiority. We've been burned hard enough in the past to have learnt our lesson. And "bling" like slightly better on-line manuals (esp. in the age of Google) doesn't sway us one bit. Not even a little one. So feel free to keep powershells superior documentation. It comes with much too much baggage to be worth it.

And that's the beauty of it. The rest of us don't have to care about your perception of it. You're free to despise it to your hearts content, though your feelings about it are not shared by the entire community. Those who aren't carrying a torch and pitchfork over Microsoft's antics of old can judge the merits of this tool for themselves.

Comment Re:How does it compare? (Score 1) 400

To generalize, the right time to use objects is when you have an object oriented language, so that you have polymorphism, iteration and extendability. I use those a lot. The right tool for the right job.

And you have these in Powershell, even more so since the version 5 (windows) release. I'm not sure if the linux alpha is quite there yet, but if it isn't, it will get there.

Just providing object access does not really add much, except complexity.

And sure, it's good for something. It's just a lot more complicated to do difficult things when constrained by provided objects and expected interaction. Specialized interfaces with limited extendability are not a step forward.

What you seem to view as "constraint" I view as "enabling". Powershell has actually simplified many of the tasks I and others have had to tackle. Perhaps you should try using Powershell on an extended basis and learning about it before you make off the cuff observations about what it is and is not capable of. But then again, you and your quotations know far better then I do right?

Comment Re:How does it compare? (Score 1) 400

And if we all blindly reject something because it was written long ago, what we're doing is not progress, but at best reinvention. There is a reason to use text streams and not objects.

"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer

If computers ran on quotes, you'd be quite the genius. Alas, they do not.
A wiser person would understand there is a time to use objects and not text streams. You can love your hammer all you want, but that doesn't make it a very good screwdriver. As the linux faithful love to proclaim: "right tool for the right job". If your job description doesn't line up with powershell, don't use it. But don't think you're doing anyone any good by claiming it's good for nothing because it doesn't behave as demanded by your chosen philosophy.

Comment Re:"Oh, I bashed it all right. I bashed it good." (Score 1) 400

And exactly where do you see this oh so unlikely scenario playing out. What IT support staff are running Linux while everyone else is running Windows, because that would just be dumb and I would expect the manager of that IT department to be canned post haste. In my 20 years in IT I have never seen nor heard of this situation.

Perhaps you should get out more. I know of myself and others that run either linux or MacOS as their local machine, RDP into Windows VMs for management. We also tend to be the guys who get promoted, because we don't restrict ourselves to what's considered "fashionable" to get stuff done. We learn and adapt to new options when they suit our needs. We think outside of the box that you seem to be too busy judging people from within.

Perks of this 'dumb' arrangement include:
---knowing my management tools all exist on the VM, as most of them are incompatible with my workstation. That means replacing my workstation leads to minimal downtime, I just have to install an RDP client. This also means that VM is ready for troubleshooting from remote locations, and I don't have to deal with large desktops due to multi-monitor setups, as one would when remoting to a local workstation.
---knowing that Windows key combinations won't be intercepted by the local OS.
---can test against Mac, Windows, and linux with ease.
---can use tools from all aforementioned OSs with ease.

Comment Re:Wow, will registry/hive on linux follow? (Score 1) 400

little more than just empty bragging by a contingent of cheerleaders who were, before Powershell came on the scene, were sneering at CLIs.

You're off base. Those GUI cheerleaders are still cheering the GUI while looking forward to retirement within the next decade. They're the ones who will never install server core or nano because they can't RDP into it. I've known quite a few of them over my career, and I'm glad I don't have to work with any of them at my current employer.

Those of us who use and promote Powershell are the guys who never stopped using a cmd shell, and still dealt with ugly batch and *shudder* vb scripts until powershell arrived and gave us something worth bragging about. We never sneered at CLIs, we simply wished for something better, and now we can start using that something on linux also.

Comment Re:Wow, will registry/hive on linux follow? (Score 1) 400

At least that's my concern. I've been in meetings with Microsoft product reps who would be very condescending towards non-Microsoft solutions even if those solutions were older, more mature, and more robust, often because the worse GUI or lack of GUI meant that you actually had to know what you were doing. It makes it easier to pander to managers that aren't as technical as they should be. This is just another tool in that toolkit.

Salesmen putting down the competition in an effort to make a sale. In other news, the sky is still blue.

This is the biggest reason to have a network or community of trusted techs/engineers with a variety of disciplines. Instead of "bad because I prefer X" you get actual usable feedback. You ask "I need something that does X" and they respond with probing questions instead of "Y or nothing". Sometimes the obvious old familiar tool with lots of history isn't the right one. Sometimes it is. Never depend on the salesman to determine if it's the right time to rip off the old bandaid.

Comment Re:How does it compare? (Score 1) 400

That sound you heard was the point whoosing right past.

The point isn't possibility of emitting text.

The point is:

"This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface."

This philosophy was first written down in 1978.

And if we all blindly stuck to something because it was written a long time ago, we'd still be offering up children to stone statues on a flaming pedestal. You're free to stick to the old ways to your heart's content. Now that there's a familiar more advanced option available, I'm free to use that. Options are a good thing, even when they don't match up with the philosophy you want to constrain them to. Don't use it. Or do. Either way, others will.

Comment Re:How does it compare? (Score 1) 400

Search-ADAccount -AccountInactive -TimeSpan 30.00:00:00 | where {$_.ObjectClass -eq 'user'} | Disable-ADAccount

To get back to the topic of this discussion - how well do you expect that to run on a Powershell running on a Linux machine?

This is day 2 of the alpha release. Even the most zealous powershell proponent would be an imbecile to expect it to work today. Although if implicit remoting is functional, that might make such a thing possible, though it *is* a workaround. I haven't updated a suitable machine to be able to install it in a linux environment yet.

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