Stan Lee To Create Online Comic Strip 32
Winston Smith writes "Stan Lee, creator of Spider Man and numerous other superheroes, will be releasing a web comic called The Seventh Portal, coming as soon as September. More info can be found at The Orange County Register. "
Stan Lee Ripped Off Jack Kirby (Score:1)
Stan Lee is a giant asshole who ripped off Jack Kirby...Stan Lee is not a good writer.....read actual comics and stories he's written and you will see. He is not capable of doing anything more than very simple and basic superhero stories...and they all have the same structure.
Aside from what Stan Lee ripped off from Jack Kirby, he is still a jerk. He tried as hard as he could to discredit him, with the goal of making sure that he got all the credit for being the "father of modern comics" or whatever his ego demands.
If you look at Jack Kirby comics, you can see that his writing is superior. His whole "New Gods" creation at DC was very interesting, and shows that he was capable of creating much more interesting story lines and plots than Stan Lee ever was.
With great power, comes great responsibility ... (Score:2)
SLASHDOT-MAN!
With the power to overload any web site
That's joint creator (Score:1)
He jointly created Spiderman with Kirby (who designed the character) and Ditko (who drew the early issues - at Marvel the stories were briefly plotted, then drawn, then written so the artist had a major hand in the story).
Lee's not an artist and given the Marvel system anything he created was effectively co-created - mostly with Kirby but occasionally with others (I think for example Daredevil was designed by Wally Wood, and Lee's Captain Marvel was drawn by Gene Colan).
The accusation elsewhere on this page that Lee ripped off Kirby isn't strictly true - Marvel ripped off Kirby.
So how did this ripping off occur? (Score:1)
Why was no legal action taken?
The website I found vaguely annoying, but just because someone's taste or storytelling abilities are not of a type I enjoy doesn't automatically mean they ripped someone off.
Spawn and Dream are better characters anyway.
Don't forget www.sluggy.com! (Score:1)
And one of the t-shirts.
So obviously the author is making some money from this.
Besides, I love the super-size, full colour, Sunday strips.
That and the insanity in the general storylines.
Re:DC characters in the sixties (Score:1)
Cute Site... (Score:2)
Anyway, aside from the marks off for no non-Flash page (and all that it requires Flash for is the opening graphic anyway!), whoever wrote this site must be Stan Lee, as he shows all the signs of having lost touch with reality ten years ago--or else he's pitched the site at preadolescents and early adolescents, and his planet-sized ego is all over the page--even in the radio-button poll.
I will always respect Stan Lee for the great comics and superheroes he's created...but the man is pushing (or past?) eighty. It's nice that he's still trying new things at his age--I guess comics really will keep you young--but we all know people in their forties who don't "get" the Internet...how much more so Stan Lee?
I think Stan Lee is miscalculating. The audience for web comics thus far, as the article says, has been net-savvy people who happened to find them in the course of their other surfing, liked them, and stuck around. I honestly don't think that a lot of regular comic book fans look for comics on-line...or that they can be so easily convinced to change their habits and start.
Of course, this doesn't mean I won't read the comic strips when they premiere...
Re:How Rude! (Score:1)
Nice boots btw.
Re:Don't forget www.sluggy.com! (Score:1)
Support Sluggy!
(BTW, the current storyline is awesome. It's even more fun than the original Army of Darkness it parodies!)
Re:Stan Lee Ripped Off Jack Kirby (Score:1)
He's been doing the Spiderman comic in the newspapers for a number of years (with a hiatus, I believe, some years back.) He can't have said to have done a GREAT comic...but it's readable. It's better than the Clone Saga!
Yes, Kirby came up with many, if not all of the ideas that Stan put to paper. Maybe Stan Lee is just a hack who was surrounded by highly intelligent and creative people, and then helped to stab them in the back. Maybe Marvel bosses for the last X years (pun intended) should be shot for gross negilgance of the icons they were handed by these men.
On the other hand...would we know Kirby without Stan's work in building comics today? Would there be a _Sandman_ without _Silver Surfer_ (Stan is known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to have developed the Silver Surfer all on his own from one of Jack's drawings)
Give the man the devil for hanging artists out to dry (which was Stnd procedure back then -- plenty of artists and writers at DC/NP, Fawcett, and others were run over as well) and for shameless self-promotion, in the style of P.T. Bartum. Stan's just really good at it, and VERY good in person, from what I hear, at being fun and animable.
Again, note -- much of the modern comic struction, for good AND ill, comes directly from the Marvel era. And Stan is directly responsible for pulling that stable of people together. His actions in doing so are not to be ignored, but to be noted in the light of all that he has done. He may not be the "Father" per se (and I'd like to see the place where he claims that distinction, for I have never read such), but his actions and ideas did lead to the massive change in comics we see in the late 60's and early 70's.
Kirby did things that no other writer could do, because he was able to see, in his mind, the combination of art and dialogue to an extent that is still emulated and copied today. The breath and scope of his vision is equally unmatched by today's writers and artists.
I suspect that, if Stan has/had a gift it was the humanization of that art, the ability to write to the average human's condition and put it on paper (although I would wager that Jack could do the same, judging from his romance comic work), reflected in the superhumans he was involved with. Wheather allied with Ditko or Kirby, all of Stan's characters were humans first and heroes second, usually trapped by conscious or circomstance into their roles, and constantly struggling with them. Even Thor, the Mighty god, was saddled with human concerns and needs (a conceit the current Thor writer has returned to, with excellent effect)
In doing so, Marvel began to approach something like the standard ideal of most modern writing, rather than the previous Olympian heights most of the DC characters that survived into the 60's were at (although, PLEASE don't get me wrong -- DC was closing in on the idea, they had not just gotten there yet.)
*SIGH* Let me stop before this note turns into a essay. Feel free to correct me -- but can the loose flammage.
Re:Well... This should be... interesting... (Score:1)
Warren Ellis was going to be doing an online comic. I think the idea was that the serialised strip would be partly supported by advertising, and partly there to sell the Graphic Novel whenever it came out. Not a bad idea, as these days most comic books are basically just promotion for the inevitable collected edition. This way you get round the problem of most people not going into comic shops, and also get a certain (if small) amount of income while writing the thing.
BTW: People who dig slashdot, would probably dig Transmetropoliton. Hunter Thompson crossed with cyberpunk. There be TPBs available in bookshops.
Re:Stan Lee Ripped Off Jack Kirby (Score:1)
Probably. Silver Surfer being a Marvel character, and Sandman based (loosely) on an old DC character.
Cian
Well... This should be... interesting... (Score:1)
Anyway, until Grant Morrisson does something on the Net, I'm not gonna get too excited
Re:With great power, comes great responsibility .. (Score:1)
BTW, he's got radioactive blood because he was bitten by a radioactive spider. That's how he became Spiderman. Maybe knowing that now the joke about Slashdotman will make more sense.
Uh, isn't he dead? (Score:1)
five months ago? Or am I thinking of a different
comic book guy?
Re:heh, another fool dabbles in online content... (Score:1)
The first strip is from September 3, 1995. So online comics can obviously support themselves. BTW, there are ads on the site, but I think he makes most of his money from selling it to online newspapers/comic archives/etc.
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Re:With great power, comes great responsibility .. (Score:1)
Heheh...
This reminds me of a Moxy Früvous [fruvous.com] song, called Spiderman [fruvous.com] because of a passage...
(Mike)
Spiderman, Spiderman
Friendly neighborhood Spiderman
Is he strong? Listen bud,
He's got radioactive blood
Hey there [...]
Re:With great power, comes great responsibility .. (Score:1)
(pretends to raise your score to informative, but has no such ability
How Rude! (Score:1)