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OpenLinux 2.2 Released 55

An anonymous reader wrote in to say that OpenLinux 2.2 is official if you're looking for a change of pace. Might want to check out the review we posted earlier too.
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OpenLinux 2.2 Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Download the whitepaper. Lots of screenshots.
  • So.. Anyone know the url for downloading the lite version?

    Alex Bischoff
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  • Posted by OGL:

    I can't seem to get through at all.

    -W.W.
  • They've always had the core of their distribution entangled with some proprietary app or just kernel modules. That's rather been the original point of their existence: Linux + proprietary Netware extensions.

    That's made kernel upgrades quite fun for some of their customers (binary modules) in past.

    Now, we have a distro that can't really 'hold its own' without some 3rd party proprietary app to prop itself up with.
  • Anyone read the description of that in the documentation?
    Sounds like they took some "important" packages and cleaned up the code. Sounds good so far, but then they mention compatability. If they broke some common libs to work only with Caldera products it would kill their product, or at least get a very harsh backlash from the community. Hopefully they just added some comments in the code and talked with the authors about any other changes.

    dave
  • I was lucky enough to get a copy of 2.2 when Ransom Love came to speak at our LUG meeting in New York. I did however have some problems with the new graphical install(Lizard). After preparing my HD I booted from the CD and the install would hang while trying to probe my 2940UW. So I tried making a boot disk, which identified the SCSI card, but it couldn t properly identify the X-server for my graphics card(a Fire GL 1000 Pro), so I ended up using the plain ol terminal based install(Lisa) which worked fine but there was a problem in getting the mouse to initialize properly. After working that out which required a reboot before attempting to install the X-server, things seemed to work well. One of the biggest problems was that there was no documentation at all, which might of been of assistance in identifying the X- server properly. All and all it wasn t as smooth as I had hoped, but when I got it up and running it worked great.
  • I think you're over-reacting. All of the distributions patch up the original source code of the included packages in order to ensure that everything works as a coherent whole, and to conform to the in-house standards for that distro. Debian does this, Red Hat does this. This fact is even reflected by the .rpm and .deb package formats: patches against the original source are kept fully distinct from each other, in order to ensure the respective integrity of both versions. Quite often, the changes made by individual distros are rolled back into the orginal, if the changes made are general and useful outside of the specific distro. However, just as often the changes made are not useful outside the specfic distro. One of the greatest advantages of free software is your freedom to modify the original version *without* the hassle of getting special permission from the original authors. This freedom brings an enormous advantage to the distributor in terms of maintainablilty. Just one more reason why free software in general, and Linux in particular are so great. :)
  • OpenLinux's bundling of glibc 2.1 bothers me. I just finished spending two hours downgrading my Debian 2.1 system to glibc 2.0.7 after installing the new glibc 2.1 from potato. It just broke too many things, including Java (the Blackdown JDK 1.1.7 won't start due to a runtime linker error, and JDK 1.2 only works with green threads and no JIT) and several KDE applications refused to run because of similar runtime linker errors. The ironic thing is that I only installed the new glibc in the process of installing apache-mod-jserv from potato to run Java servlets, which (through a chain of dependencies) required glibc 2.1, despite the fact that the JDK itself wasn't compatible with glibc 2.1!

    I've had equally poor luck trying to upgrade RedHat systems to GLIBC 2.1 using Rawhide. It's just a mess right now, and I don't understand why the glibc maintainers didn't just bump the version number to libc7, and save us all the hassle of trying to upgrade everything all at once! This is just as bad than the a.out->ELF transition, where some apps would require a certain (older) version of libc5, while others required a different (newer) version.

    I don't think Caldera has solved the problem either, since they're bundling JDK 1.0.2 with OpenLinux. If you have any interest at all in Java, you'd best sit this one out for a few months, until the folks at Blackdown have a chance to release a good JDK version that supports GLIBC 2.1, and until all of your other non-open-source application vendors have a chance to recompile everything that broke in the transition...

  • Although I prefer to have a totally free package, they are nice by throwing in a few word processors. Sounds like a Linux package for mom to get started with.

    There were just a few details on the requirements for installing that caught my eye: minimum hard drive space was 12MB was listed on the first page (nice!), but on the hardware page it listed 160MB to 1.2 GB. I don't think the 12MB is the full graphical install they were talking about.
  • Caldera went from version 1.3 up to version 2.2 and although it seems strange that there's no version 2.0 I actually think this is a good idea because their version number is in line with the kernel version included with their distribution.

    It is a common cause for newbies who think the version of their distribution is the version of Linux their using. (I'm sick of people talking about 'Linux 6.0' when they mean for example SuSE 6.0 or 'Linux 5.1' when they mean RedHat 5.1.

    As Caldera is aiming their distribution towards the newbies hopefully their version numbering scheme will clear things up although it's too late for most other distributions (except Debian) to follow a similar naming scheme as if they started to go to kernel numbers to identify their distributions it would appear very strange.

    Imagine upgrading from RedHat 6.0 to RedHat 2.2.5!!

    It's a shame that despite their name Caldera appears to be the least open of all linux distributors.

    But good luck to Caldera if this product is half as user friendly as it's made out to be it could be the entry point to a whole new generation of Linux users.
    --
  • As far as I know, Caldera doesn't make their
    distros free for download.


    -Leo.
  • I see their name everytime I boot my PC
    I run Mandrake 5.3
  • Are you posting in double or are my eyes
    playing tricks on me?

    I've had a hard time with winblows today
    but I don't recall taking a drink.
  • Since they use Partition Magic to do the Windows installation of Linux, how are they going to handle people downloading the entire distribution?? Is Powerquest allowing them to put a "Caldera" verion of Partition Magic up for download with the distribution?? And if so, I wonder which features, if any, they won't include in it.
  • I don't know for sure, but in the past, Caldera has created a "lite" version of its distribution which has all of the non-free (in the monetary sense) software stripped out. This is most likely what will be available for download.

  • You would of had a easier time simply upgrading all the way to potato. Basically installing stuff from another Debian version is not smart, and definately not recommended. Debian Potato works just fine with glibc2.1, and only very few packages still need to be rebuilt.


  • I was able to get in this morning and place an order online. Unable to get in all day untill just now.
  • by X-Type ( 15655 )
    Can we say KDE.
    I am installing it and I see KDE.
    It is installed and rebooting and I see KDE.
    LiLo goes away and I see KDE.
    KDM instead of console and I did not want it nor
    select any options to have it run. Heck, I did
    not even get a list of packages to choose from.
    only three options: minimal, normal and a full install.
    I went back three times to see what the
    fourth, no-name, check box was, and to see if
    I could maybe have some control over what I got
    on my machine. Kinda sucks when you loose control
    just so that it can be easier to isntall for others.
    Oh, well though. I guess that is just the way it must be. Or not?
  • And they let you watch them install it serveral times over.


  • Looks like they don't know how to spell kernel at Caldera. Check out their whitepaper [calderasystems.com] and you will notice in the the bookmark list on the left that they missed this typo.

    Also, the documentation contains several other typos... have they actual proofread this stuff? Besides the petty mistakes I am pointing out here, this looks like it could be a really nice distribution!

  • looking around, don't see it yet
  • Well I don't know what you've been doing, but I have never had that problem. I moved up to the 2.2 kernel just fine with a few minor upgrades, like ppp for instance, and it has worked beautifully. My biggest problem with them has been the lack of a new version for so long, leaving me to compile the new librarys and the such. Oh well, now we have the newest of new and we may all rejoice. :)
  • Actually Caldera has allways made their distro's available for download.

    With ver 1.1 & 1.2 they made a lite version that didn't include any commercial software that was restricted by liscence. That included their nwclient software, metro-x etc.

    With 1.3 they got rid of the lite and standard version all together, instead making a single version off the base. getting rid of any commercial software that they can't distribute over download and moving apps like nwclient to a new license free to use with the system, so the 1.3 download area is exactly the same files you get on the cd.

    Currently I'm in the process of downloading 2.2 at this very moment and it looks similiar to the 1.3 setup so I expect most if not all files to be there.
  • Goto the "tryout" section and fill in the form and it will give you a link to the ftp directory area.

    Or even better just ncftp to ftp.calderasystems.com/pub/OpenLinux/2.2
  • Been down this road myself with Linux-Mandrake 5.3 just yesterday. I installed rawhide glibc 2.1 because Samba 2.0.3 wanted it. This completely broke Blackdown's JDK 1.1.7 and 1.2. Also, after installing glibc 2.1, there seemed to be a HUGE memory leak somewhere. I installed glibc 2.1 Friday. Monday morning, my workstation was crawling. I couldn't figure out from top what was eating all the memory (the X server maybe), but I was quickly forced to reboot. I don't think glibc 2.1 is ready from prime-time yet.

    Randy Weems
  • caldera couldnt give the cds away fast enough...
  • Wait for Red Hat 6, or download Red Hat 5.9. The default window manager is Enlightenment + GNOME, and has all the latest libs and programs.

    I still don't like Red Hat, but use it for the lack of something I like better! I like slackware, but I want glibc. I'd try Debian, but I don't have the time to go through its complex install. I might give OpenLinux a try...
  • the name "openlinux" had to do (originally) with their original name for DR-DOS, which was OpenDOS (i think.) Although it wasn't very open.
  • I think this sort of thing is great, as long as we keep our eyes on the ball - I want to see linux as inclusive as possible. If COL2.2 brings more people to the linux fold, that's great. Let's hope it doesn't push people away, because I've heard some nasty things about it being said, but I don't think that will happen. I think we're just expanding the global linux family, which can only be good. Surely the future is a linux for everybody?
  • >

    Is that a problem? If Linux crushes Microsoft as Linus suggested today SOMEONE will have the majority of the market. There will never be an even split
  • where are you downloading from? i only see 1.3 in /pub on ftp.caldera.com

    thanks
  • I thihnk it's good that Red Hat is getting some competition. Too many people are getting the idea that Red Hat = Linux. Sounds like Micro$oft all over again. Is Bob Young trying to build another empire or what? Yuck.

    Keep Linux free - keep those releases coming, everyone!

    -Ed Carp, http://www.pobox.com/~erc, erc@pobox.com
  • I think it's good that Red Hat is getting some competition. Too many people are getting the idea that Red Hat = Linux. Sounds like Micro$oft all over again. Is Bob Young trying to build another empire or what? Yuck.

    Keep Linux free - keep those releases coming, everyone!

    -Ed Carp, http://www.pobox.com/~erc, erc@pobox.com

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