Microsoft bid on Linux.com 240
Chris M. Costello
sent us a link to a news.com article about the
Bidding War for Linux.com
which includes the exceptionally interesting tidbit that
among the bidders was one Microsoft corporation. Other
bidders were Red Hat (duh) Compaq (that makes some sense)
and HP (huh?)
anyone remember the show "sliders"? (Score:1)
I lose sight of anything outside the current scroll buffer.
M$ Linux (Score:1)
I'm not worried. M$ Linux would be crushed by the market anyway. They'd get in too late in the game to be a threat.
Microsoft (Score:1)
Curious about what MS would have done with it... (Score:1)
Well, maybe not the ls themes, but get the picture? Expect this approach, whether or not it's technically justifiable (it wasn't with the Mac transitioning pages either, and those pages are out there). The argument will be that standardization is only Windows, that you _will_ be involving Windows in your plans, so here is the way to seamlessly transition _from_ linux to all-Windows, here are some tools that can convert pine mailrscs or whatever into Exchange or Outlook Express (note pointed lack of converters going the other way!
That is what a microsoft linux.com would be.
NT long and short filenames (Score:1)
1. There is two names for non 8.3 filenames
2. The default location for installation of Vendor software is "%SystemDrive%\Program Files". This is a pain in the ass for command line utilities that take absolute pathnames as parameters.
Various other things are a pain in the ass like password authentication, user creation/deletion in a domain environment, temp file creation (%TEMP% is a user environment variable not available for services). I can't remember anything offhand that was better on NT except the product installation. With InstallShield for UNIX, I don't think this is the case any more.
To summarize: UNIX is great.
We're almost there folks... (Score:1)
Well we've been ignored, we've been laughed at and now Microsoft is getting ready to blast both barrels at our community. We've almost won.
van Kempen, cool dude (Score:1)
Fred van Kempen did his bit to become a part of linux history. Kudos to a responsible person!
:)
-phantom
M$ Linux (Score:1)
If NT4 isn't approved for government use, then I'm scared! About 80% of the State of Ohio is run on NT. No wonder we're having so many problems with our servers, someone forgot to tell the head honchos NT sucked so bad.
Really? (Score:1)
got the feeling M$ offered him a _lot_ of money,
and he turned it down in favor of a 'little' from VA research. I'd guess that there was a substantial difference. A few million would be pocket change for M$.
-phantom.
Test subject (Score:1)
Test comment
Not everyone offered plans. (Score:1)
What about trademarks? (Score:1)
If Red Hat tried to buy out windows.com, MS's legal team would be frothing at the mouth.
Looks like the boys in Redmond still don't know how to play fair, even with their coffin fully nailed by the DoJ.
Arrogance will be their downfall
Microsoft domain squatting? (Score:1)
So what was MS's 'plan'? (Score:1)
if they really wanted it, they could offer anything they want. $20M would disolve anyones morals.
typical ms (Score:1)
Of course, I could be wrong.
M$ Linux (Score:1)
Actually, Linux competes in the Unix market, therefore it could be argued in court that Microsoft would be entering the Unix market.
It is a court story even as it is (Score:1)
Wasn't Microsoft complaining a while back about domain hijacking? They were taking certain domains back that they claim were infringing on their trademarks and such. What hypocrites.
HP (huh?) - NT on PA-RISC (Score:1)
... it exists. It was developed at HP in-house
but never released as a product.
See, MicroSuck does not own the soul of HP.
I wonder how much (Score:1)
Who gets the money? (Score:1)
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linucks.com (Score:1)
But I would also support a site called linucks.com run by Microsoft that contained anti-linux jokes, anti-linux truth, and anti-linux FUD in equal quantities.
It's not a case of supporting the little guy against the big guy - it's a case of supporting free speech against spin and evangelism.
Anyway - that's not directly relevant - just curious to see how people would feel if MS _did_ do something like that.
MS Linux (Score:1)
I think an MS linux distro is quite possible - remember that MS had xenix in the beginning, and they have never been averse to backing two horses if that seems sensible.
Also, I think MS may port DCOM to Linux, although that is less certain. No-one I know in the shrink-wrap development scene has much interest or faith in CORBA.
I think DCOM is a case of MS doing it badly but doing it better than anyone else, so unless CORBA really takes off, I think alot of the people who might start developing for KDE/GNOME would love to see a proven object model available.
Remember folks - outside of Unix, if it isn't OO, it isn't in the running.
non-profit (Score:1)
Non-profit organisations can be very lucrative things, of course. Large charities will employ people with 6 figure incomes, so long as they can justify that it's a reasonable way to spend the charity's funds.
anyone remember the show "sliders"? (Score:1)
I just have to ask! (Score:1)
I can still type cd \progra~1 and have it work on NTFS...
Actually do a "dir
"True Long Filenames" would be a filesystem with 1 filename per file.. Not 2.
E2FS has "True Long Filenames" 8)
-Jerry (jsegler@gerf.org)
Actually, no. (Score:1)
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
Gnulix. (Score:1)
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
M$'s legal options: (Score:1)
Microsoft stole all it's ideas from other companies. It won a precedent-setting lawsuit against apple over the copyright of Apple's "look & feel".
What they gonna do, claim fvwm95 or StarOffice or KDE stole the look&feel they stole from the Mac?
It would be funny to see them try.
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
Welcome to Linux.com! (Score:1)
[decapitatedpenguin.gif]
Your browser will now automatically be redirected to microsoft.com
please click here [microsoft.com] if your browser does not support redirects.
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
Well, duh!!! (Score:1)
They're contractually bound to NOT do that... (Score:1)
You missed one detail- GPL prevents some of this.. (Score:1)
stupid question; for support!!! :> (Score:1)
they want to spread linux, help linux development and provide HOWTOs for sure
this realy makes sense
just another "small thing" which makes me almost hate M$
MS' linux.com is like whitehouse.com (Score:1)
MS is not going to kill Win when owning linux.com (Score:1)
OR
just spread not that good news about linux to the widespread so called computer users which are unable to see the diference between www.linux.org and www.linux.com
Who does MS have to fear? (Score:1)
why? beceuse they can't sell their products to people which know "how it works"
there is MSIE available for UNIX (Score:1)
same as faked videos (Score:1)
i personaly am aware of claim on any .com page while it means "commercial" therefore there can be thousands of reasons not to tell truth (or not to tell everything)
it does not mean that anything on .org is right because it is made by non-profit org. :)
forget about M.L. :) (Score:1)
Free Speech test.. (do sponsors moderate here?) (Score:1)
1) "Linux" is a trademarked name
2) Linux owns Linux (tm) regardless of who registered it.
3) Linux is a community effort, and proceeds for the sale of the domain name should go to the community at large. I'm sure for example it costs money to drive GNU.ORG, no?
4) Some of this money could go to Slashdot.org also so you can say something "un-politically correct" bad about a
It's plainly obvious Intel is trying to buy or muscle in so the Linux World Domination, if it happens, will ONLY take place on Intel processors. Intel buys off Be, and no PPC version... Intel buys out VA, and no Alpha or AMD versions...
Every popular revolution that has been thwarted, usually happens because the establishment co-opts the movement by inviting the "elite" for dinner. Microsoft and Intel are famous for this.
It's also exceptionally rude to censor someone's post without notifying them, even if after the fact. I'd like to see WHICH part of my post (in the linux.com article) was "Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated.".
:-(
correction (typo) (Score:1)
2) LINUS owns Linux (tm) regardless of who registered it.
Just correcting typo before the spelling flames arive...
M$ Linux at Cheapbytes (Score:1)
Microsoft! (Score:1)
In fact, IIRC, the fact that the SCO-Microsoft agreement was dissolved was a Slashdot article.
- Sam T.
Has anybody considered the possibility? (Score:1)
More fuel to the M$ Linux fire (Score:1)
So what if they have to open source the kernel? They no longer have to do all of the work of maintaining their own - the Linux army would do most of the work for them.
It may not (probably wouldn't) even be as stable as other distributions of Linux, but they would capture market share with 'their' version since they would have a lot of end-user software already compatible with it.
This is not to say that this would kill Linux, or even really hurt it, but it would slow its grwoth on the desktop market greatly, and even if Microsoft only retains what they have now in that arena, they will still be the big cheese for a long time.
yer .sig (Score:1)
"Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he hid Piglet's mangled corpse.
Ok, that's just twisted. Demented. Sick.
And it made me laugh.
Exactly. (Score:1)
But seriously, at least it would be linux and not DOS/NT
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Not approved for Federal Government Use (Score:1)
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Communist? (Score:1)
or if all of europe had gone communist.
[...]
Actually - I have yet to see a *single* communist country on the face of this earth... So far, I've only seen some poor excuses for socialism. It's a bit like the old "hacker vs. cracker" thing, really.
Real communism is most likely condemmed to be a nice dream - like real christianity and other things with a high moral goal...
argathin
Microsoft! (Score:1)
M$ Linux (Score:1)
M$ Linux (Score:1)
M$ Linux (Score:1)
What will linux.org do? (Score:1)
.COM = Commercial website.
.ORG = Non-Profit organization.
SCO vs. Microsoft - laughable (Score:1)
Why I use Windows NT at work? (Score:1)
Oh, and the salary for a *IX admin tends to be way better than that for an NT admin.
Remember Xenix? (Score:1)
there is MSIE available for UNIX (Score:1)
linucks.com (Score:1)
MS Linux? DCOM is already out for Linux=sux (Score:1)
[ object,
uuid(3CFDB283-CCC5-11D0-BA0B-00A0C90DF8BC),
helpstring("IGrid1 Interface"),
pointer_default(unique)
]
interface IGrid1 : IUnknown {
import "unknwn.idl";
HRESULT get([in] SHORT n, [in] SHORT m, [out] LONG *value);
HRESULT set([in] SHORT n, [in] SHORT m, [in] LONG value);
};
[ object,
uuid(3CFDB284-CCC5-11D0-BA0B-00A0C90DF8BC),
helpstring("IGrid2 Interface"),
pointer_default(unique)
]
interface IGrid2 : IUnknown {
import "unknwn.idl";
HRESULT reset([in] LONG value);
};
[ uuid(3CFDB281-CCC5-11D0-BA0B-00A0C90DF8BC),
version(1.0),
helpstring("grid 1.0 Type Library)
]
library GRIDLib
{
importlib("stdole32.tlb");
[ uuid(3CFDB287-CCC5-11D0-BA0B-00A0C90DF8BC),
helpstring("Grid Class")
]
coclass CGrid
{ [default] interface IGrid1;
interface IGrid2;
};
};
Now for A corba IDL
interface grid1
{
long get(in short n, in short m);
void set(in short n, in short m, in long value);
};
interface grid2
{
void reset(in long value);
};
interface grid: grid1, grid2
{
};
hmmmm....
CORBA is much better at cross platform than DCOM.
Also, CORBA supports true inheritance, etc.
I say stick with Corba...
IMHO.
Cheers,
Nick
LSG
Re: Goes to show, there are MS plants everywhere (Score:1)
Cliché as hell, but true.
Zontar
(somewhere in tenn.)
Exactly. (Score:1)
What then happens of course is that Linux is "the next best thing" and MS is the "name no-one got fired for buying" and so...< insert logical conclusion here >
MS invented Linux (Score:1)
If MS ever owns anything having to do with Linux, you can bet it would only be a matter of time before they began to subtly and not-so subtly imply that Linux was their idea in the first place. And millions of clueless idiots would believe it.
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MS Linux? DCOM is already out for Linux=sux (Score:1)
<PAUSE TYPE="DRAMATIC">
It's longer, after all. And more complicated. The Micros~1 way!
It is a court story even as it is (Score:1)
It will be a real pitty if Van Kempen does not ship ALL M$ proposals to DOJ immediately.
Microsoft (Score:1)
SCO vs. Microsoft - laughable (Score:1)
It will be all spun up in a manner that supports their defense in the anti-trust suit to boot. Kind of a "look, not only are we not monopolistic, we are actively supporting the competition." Much as they have done with their straw-man competition, Apple.
So what was MS's 'plan'? (Score:1)
but 'plans' for what the people who wanted the domain wanted to use the site for. What I'd like to know is what MS submitted as their plan for the site? A mirror of www.fud.com?
Interesting...but...WhY? (Score:1)
Because.
-Augie
MS Linux (Score:1)
HP (huh?) (Score:1)
I wonder how much (Score:1)
I wonder how much (Score:1)
Yea, I think you are right about that. Seems gnulix.com is worth even less than I thought.
I just have to ask! (Score:1)
Cannot Linus assert trademark at anytime? (Score:1)
etc. etc. etc.
Who gets the money? (Score:1)
I've said this before in other forums - when you target M$, and score a hit, they eventually shoot back. They've got a big gun too - just ask Netscape.
The unfortunate fact is that there's nothing in the GPL that says "you can't use this if you are an agent for or employee of Microsoft (insert other legaleese)..." , so they can indeed produce thier own distro. Every one associated with Linux is about to have a lesson in Big Business, from the biggest, dirtiest player in the league.
Wake up, people. Be preparred to duke it out with a 800 pound Gorilla.
I agree - the M$ monster stirrs.... (Score:1)
We should fake them out - feed Linux to them in a long protracted battle, and develop a killer FreeBSD on the sly. When they're done schlurping down Linux and look up from the plate, we deposit our newly honed OSS OS right between their eyes.
One other passing thought - what happens to the 2 trillion dollars (or what ever the Redmond behemoth is worth) when Linux starts killing Windoze? Makes you think that there's more people out there that will want to see Linux limited to the geeks....
I just have to ask! (Score:1)
It's a reference to 95/98/NT's bogus attempt at "long filenames". If you look at a long-named file under MS-DOS, you get the first 6 characters of the name, then a tilde and then a digit. If your directory listing in Win95 would look like, say:
then the same group of files in DOS come out as:
It's a Win95/NT/98-aware way of joking about the fact that you can't even fit Microsoft's name into the 8.3 format it enforced for so long (and still retains backward compatibility with).
Or, in typical Websurfer dude speak... (Score:1)
URL? What's that, man? Is that, like, some geeky name for a websight address?
Sorry, I just had to do that. Normally, "Web Sight" makes me scream...
I Trust Microsoft... (Score:1)
Hey, man, I trust Microsoft on a number of things...
Indeed, it sometimes feels like there's something almost algorithmic about MS's spin department. Often, they'll simply invert the truth -- they say Win98 (re)boots faster than 95; I've found the exact opposite. They say NT is scalable; we all know better.
I want to figure out their algorithm and reverse it to get a Microsoftian-to-truth converter. :-)
Remind the PHB's *why* we moved away from MS... (Score:1)
I just hope Microsoft doesn't react for at least two more years. That's all we need to reach impetus for the desktop.
More fuel to the M$ Linux fire (Score:1)
Lets take another look at it this way. M$ sees that they are losing some servers to OSes like RedHat and Slackware, and even face the possibility that some ppl might not continue on the NT bandwagon for security/overhead/etc.
They are already looking at getting rid of the shell in their newer OSes (I hear this one is being passed over for Windoze 2000).
They need a server OS that is fast, solid, and has a shell.
So...they go for Linux, custom make their installers, even make Wine-32 that's compatible with the "M$ OS Flavor of the Day" (M$ Linux only of course...it can be done, it just usually isn't). They get a kernel that is constantly being updated/changed/etc and a whole bunch of media publicity to boot.
They gain back the server systems and a few "power users" in the process...
Every company that is now running a UNIX flavor or Linux suddenly moves to M$ Linux.
If you don't think this would happen, you don't know how businesses run. They would rather stick with M$ OSes throughout their system. Sure, it wouldn't happen overnight, but it would happen. Especially if M$ started some sort of a support deal for companies switching from another UNIX flavor.
M$ Linux (Score:1)
Linux isn't branded with the 'UNIX' moniker,
MS wouldn't be entering the UNIX market.
Rather, they'd be entering the LINUX market.
--Corey
SCO vs. Microsoft (Score:1)
However, in case you didn't know, SCO is pretty much in bed with Microsoft. So much so that an MS VP sits on SCO's board. Sorry, I don't have the name right now, I did a report on this last year in my business law class.
anyone remember the show "sliders"? (Score:1)
What do you mean IF all of Europe had gone Communist? They just prefer to call the same philosophy by different names (EU, "The Third way", etc.)
It is a court story even as it is (Score:1)
I'm happily running Linux as an M$ free environment
M$ Linux (Score:1)
M$ Linux with a desktop you are used to (since they would force the Win9X desktop onto it) from a company who've heard of and will run M$ Office.
Or some tiny weird company called Red Hat whom
you've never heard of
HP (huh?) (Score:1)
1st! (Score:1)