What's Next in Telecommunications? 86
CNet is reporting that with the telecommunication industry's annual powwow coming up the hot button seems to be television rather than phones. From the article: "Judging from the diverse list of keynote speakers, it's easy to see that the phone business is readying itself for cataclysmic change. The traditional telecommunications market has already begun consolidating in anticipation. [...] Putting itself back together two decades after being broken apart, the new AT&T faces an entirely different competitive environment. Phone companies and cable companies will soon be competing directly with each other not just for broadband customers, but also for TV and phone customers."
This word 'competing'... (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:3, Funny)
compete
intr. v. competed, competing, competes
To strive against another or others to attain a goal, such as an advantage or a victory, usually with the help of other large companies who can force laws through Congress in order to protect corporate interests
use: That telecom company competed it's customers to death with a sledgehammer
Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:2)
You keep using that word - "it's" - I do not think it means what you think it means.
Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:1)
I got it telastyn
Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:2)
My favourite scene:
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:1)
Re:This word 'competing'... (Score:1)
Competing? Don't you mean... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Competing? Don't you mean... (Score:1)
Destruction of "standards" (Score:4, Interesting)
AT&T re-merging means nothing to me as AT&T (and Comcast and T-Mobile and the Chicago Tribune and WGN radio) mean nothing to me at all -- they're all dated mechanisms that came about because of the FCC allowing them what no individual had a right to anymore: the airwaves. The local communities were colluding with the cartels as well, giving right of way to only a few select companies in exchange for a nice chunk of change over the decades. I constantly bring grief to my village council meetings when I decry the few dollars Comcast continues to pay the village for every bill they collect.
I see such a great waste in available bandwidth due to excessive (and in my mind [blogspot.com] unconstitutional) FCC regulation of frequencies. For me, data is data and I just want to get at it faster and in more areas. To think that we're still going to send data over the UHF and VHS frequencies 50,000 watts at a time in a "one size fits all" broadcast is unthinkable. Those same frequencies could be better used to let people get what they want, when they want, in the form they want, at the price they want. Imagine how much more bandwidth would be available if the frequencies were available for the NEXT wireless standards.
The typical replies to a proposal such as this are "someone will broadcast on every frequency so no one can communicate" or "without regulation we'd get interference all over the place." I can not see someone broadcasting 50,000 watts on every frequency as the power needed to run a transmittor at that power on every frequency would quickly bankrupt the transmitter. A brigand could send random bursts on random frequencies, but a good software radio can frequency hop fast enough to not make this a problem. The idea of interference is also reduced by the software radio idea -- plus the fact that transmitters want to get the signal out more than they want to block the signal gives me the belief that we won't see these problems. An advertiser in today's market COULD by every advertisement spot on every media format, but no one has. Why is that?
We have to stop thinking in terms of television, radio, cell phone, WiFi, narrowband, broadband, etc. Those terms can be filed next to telegraph. For me, I want real convergence: manufacturers finding ways to frequency hop faster, incorporating software radios that can adjust to what the receiver and the sender need rather than be shoehorned into a narrow band of frequencies and amplifier power.
Yet we all know -- or should know -- that the frequencies aren't regulated for the people, they're regulated to keep control of the system in the hands of the elite -- the distribution cartels. Nothing will change over time, in fact I believe we'll see our beloved Internet regulated "to protect the people" but in reality it'll be regulated to protect the content cartels. The RIAAs, the MPAAs, the publisher's associations and all the various collusive elements that controlled information yesterday are looking to control information tomorrow, and most people will not mind.
I mind because I see the power of data -- a small packet of information that isn't important until it is used. To think that we have gigahertz of bandwidth being used to try to give everyone the same thing is beyond me, and part of the reason I hate the FCC and want to see it disbanded completely so that society has a chance to meet our own needs in the future -- one IP connection at at time.
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:5, Interesting)
Or, better put, "My local city stole money from current and future taxpayers in order to give the money to someone else."
Very sad.
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Destruction of Common Sense (Score:1, Interesting)
I'm sure the eye doctor likes having you as a customer.
"I see such a great waste in available bandwidth due to excessive (and in my mind unconstitutional) FCC regulation of frequencies. For me, data is data and I just want to get at it faster and in more areas. To think that we
Re:Destruction of Common Sense (Score:2)
it became relatively cheap . And the majority of fiber in the ground
is not even lit . It is known as dark fiber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fiber [wikipedia.org]
What would be best is for the ppl to do an end around the greed matrix
Make a Internet Cooperative, some already exist now and are doing well
http://www.coop.net/ [coop.net] and http://www.ncic.net/ [ncic.net]
As tax payers we paid $200 billion USD in taxes to the major telcos to deploy
fiber to every majo
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:4, Interesting)
With radio signals, it's a bit harder to identify someone who's trying to be disruptive, but it's also easier to jump to another "road" that's not busy. And if a perpetrator really disrupting a large number of channels, that makes it all the easier to identify them.
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:2)
Well, sorta... (If they stay in one place long enough for triangulation to work)
But if there are many perpetrators (lots of software radios infected with a "virus"), then you essentially have a DDOS attack in the wireless domain... That would not be easy to circumvent nor detect. Especially if they are in a densely populated (wireless user) area.
Although the "software" in a wireless radio opera
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:1)
This is essentially what the FCC was intended to do. Instead of coming along after the fact to fix the problem they try to solve the problem ahead of time by making sure the broadcasters weren't stomping on each other's signal. The proliferation of Wi-Fi is starting to cause problems like this. Since the 2.4GHz frequency is free for use and everyone and their mother is making a device that operates at this frequency,
Re:Destruction of "standards" (Score:1, Insightful)
Now I know that a TV stati
telecom == fraud (Score:2)
Haven't seen much else, so I'm guessing more fraud.
Perhaps not too far from the truth (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Perhaps not too far from the truth (Score:3, Interesting)
Upside: obvious. Speed, etc. Downside, I find myself watching more television and I hate that. I didn't have cable before.
Triple play and ADSL2+ (Score:4, Interesting)
Technically, there is 24 Mbps of downstream bandwidth available (with no voice band splitters, it can use the whole bandwidth of the copper pair). G.992 also allows for multiple ATM pipes, so a service provider can reserve 16kbps for VOIP, 1-3 Mbps for a single MPEG-4 video stream, and the rest for internet. There is also the concept of separate interleave delays for each ATM circuit, so a voice channel can have a low delay, video a high delay, and internet can have either a high delay with higer bandwidth or low delay with lower bandwidth (for the gamerz oh-so-important ping times). Even customers out at the far limits of DSL still have a few hundred Kbps of internet left after the VOIP and TV feeds.
Video channel switching is done via a reserved communications channel between the set-top CPE box and the DSLAM, as you zap through the channels, the DSLAM chooses the video stream. The major downside is that there needs to be a fibre feed with all the channels going through every DSLAM, a couple of Gbit/sec worth of streaming video for the companies who have 300+ channels available. The video quality I've seen on every system is pretty poor, MPEG artifacts everywhere, skips and delays, and no synchro between audio and video streams.
I've just returned from a working vacation in the U.S., and I was stunned at the primitiveness of the DSL infrastructure. The big 3 monopolies own the copper, Local Loop Unbundling (or naked DSL) is almost non-existant, download caps as bad as Australia, AUPs forbid all kinds of things like leaving an SSH server on your home machine for remote access. I'm glad to be back in the first world, internet-wise.
At CeBIT last week, everyone was talking VDSL2. European providers with large ADSL2+ networks are upgrading to 50Mbps VDSL2. All the chinese manufacturers were showing off working VDSL2 systems based on conexant and broadcom chipsets.
the AC
Buy Recommendation (Score:4, Funny)
buy tinfoil
Re:Buy Recommendation (Score:2)
Damnit. My plans have been foiled again.
Re:Buy Recommendation (Score:3, Informative)
Telecom irrelevance? (Score:2, Informative)
Sounds like even the telecom industry is catching on to the fact that the Internet has made such service (e.g., tiered landline service) nearly irrelevant! Or at least, we'd hope so.
I'd like to see the day where one pays for Data in and out
Re:Telecom irrelevance? (Score:1)
it happened... [fioslive.com] or was that sarcasm?
Re:Telecom irrelevance? (Score:2)
Why the line? In theory, one can get their phone, internet (although I hear it doesn;t work in cities due to the canyon effect- but there will be repeaters eventually) and tv (Sort of with v-cast) from verizon with no wires. It won't be long before we dont need wires for most things. (Unless Tesla comes back we will need electrica
Re:Telecom irrelevance? (Score:2)
That aside, cable is generally speaking superior for things which don't plan on moving around much. It could just be me, but I quite like my PC having internet and suchlike working regardless of atmospheric conditions, storms, people using the microwave etc.
I'm all in favour of blanket WiFi, as long as there are still physical sockets points and an accepted standard (Cat5 + RJ45 for preference) for plugging things into them. Just run fibre
Re:Telecom irrelevance? (Score:2)
Thanks for correcting my typo!
Are you an English teacher, or just an asshole? Perhaps both!
Have an awesome day buddy! And thanks again! I really appreciate your help!
Re:Telecom irrelevance? (Score:2)
Obligatory content-free prognistication (Score:2, Interesting)
Barring that, it'll become about triple or quadruple pay (voice, IP, cable, etc.) bundles of access, as it has in Europe.
I think the latter scenario is good for consumers, the former, well not so much.
What's not clear to me is how, even with open web services (ala Web 2.0 hy [kotay.com]
Networks are more efficient and feature-filled (Score:2, Funny)
Phone Voip with a low-latency connection
TV Video Torrents
Radio Webcasting
The thing is you need a Real good connection to use those.Internet will slowly supersede all communication methods.
Re:Networks are more efficient and feature-filled (Score:1)
Re:Networks are more efficient and feature-filled (Score:1)
Re:Networks are more efficient and feature-filled (Score:1)
Interesting choice of word (Score:2, Offtopic)
Judging from the diverse list of keynote speakers, it's easy to see that the phone business is readying itself for cataclysmic change.
Cataclysmic? Not so sure the telcos and big media companies would enjoy that word very much. A cataclysm killed the dinosaurs, you know.
who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:3, Informative)
I wish the FCC would assign more useful shortwave parts of the spectrum to the ISM band [wikipedia.org] for 802.x so we could start experimenting with meshing [wikipedia.org] and maybe be like amateur radio where you buy your equiment and get online using an open standard with no company involded.
Who needs a provider when the airways are a zero cost medium?
Re:who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:1)
Who else would pay Senatorial salaries?
The airwaves go to those with the money. "Public Access" just keeps enough votes to ensure the continuing influx of bribes^H^H^H^H kickbacks^H^H^H^H^H^ hookers^H^H^H^H "campaign contributions".
God bless America.
Re:who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:2)
Re:who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:2, Interesting)
With all due respect, and though you raise a very valid point as to practicality, I think all we're asking is for the FCC to give us the resources that will allow us the freedom to experiment and solve our own problems.
These problems cannot be overcome today. But in the future who knows, what with multiplexing and models of data distribution, what ingeneous solutions someone may come up up with tomorrow? All we're say
Re:who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:2)
Mesh networks and such sound nice and great, but you'll never be able to near the traffic that you can with guided media like copper and fiber. Also, unless you set aside a transmit and receive frequency between each member in a mesh, you'll always have a problem with collisions. It's the nature of the beast.
Also, problems that arise in a wireless environment require specialized tools and skills
Re:who needs a provider for wireless? (Score:1)
If we're talking about plain old analog bandwidth with no algorithms then you're right, there's probably not enough to go around. But if we take significant chunks of the entire spectrum using short and long waves, combine multiplexing, and data caching/distribution models not unlike bittorent, it just may be possible to develop a pre
I know what is next.... (Score:2)
In the US, its been pointed out, we can't even get a decent phone... never mind decent services.
I'm all baffled (Score:2, Funny)
I'm so confused. :(
'Free' TV & Phone - Totally Cataclysmic (Score:2)
Duopoloy on the pipes... (Score:4, Informative)
WiMax might have a place out in the burbs, but in New York, I can't see how it can possibly serve the populace without interfering with its competition.
With QoS, Vonage is going to slowly go down the tubes, as Time Warner, Cablevision, Comcast, AT&T, et al provide themselves better IP service than their competitors. (We know what Ed Whitacre, AT&T CEO thinks about this... http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h*IUQu7KtOwgA/ma
Oh, well. Squeeze your buttcheeks together.
my experience (Score:3, Funny)
Disclaimer: I was laid off after 21 years from this company... go figure
Well, if my observations offer any insight (they probably don't)... the company from which I was laid off was hot and heavy in one of their most important endeavors at the time: converting their public facing web presence to C#/.Net technology. I certainly had many other suggestions for important work to be done.
So, let that be one indicator of how prepared the telcos may or may not be for the shifting winds in the telecommunications industry.
Old fogeys... (Score:2)
Re:Old fogeys... (Score:1)
The answer to your question is most likely a large number. (I'm going to ignore the fact that your sentence structure made absolutely no sense and instead respond to the spirit of your post)
I am not old, but I feel the same way. I just don't need the majority of this technology, yet. However, there are a lot of things that people in the world use that I don't need. For example: thong underwear, animal tranquilizers, SUVs, stilts, hangliders, artifical limbs, etc. Just because you don't need it doesn't
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Re:Old fogeys... (Score:3, Interesting)
At least you don't live in Oregon, where "fairness" in road usage will soon be that, at least for cars, road taxes are calculated by miles driven on them, because there are "too many" Priuses and other more fuel-efficient cars on the roads, and revenues from fuel taxes in Oregon are "going down".
Which is odd, really. Most of Oregon's road miles are in very rural
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This Revolution will not be televised. (Score:2)
Telco competitors have not yet recieved their special "volume bandwidth service package" fee schedule the telcos will be providing to telco alternatives.
Ditto for every other thing mentioned.
Let's concentrate on allowing innovation to surface in the States without being litigated/legislated to death first.
Telephony is Dead (Score:2)
The back bone is mostly packets and the cost of transmission is very low.
If you measured all the data in bits that you use for a phone call and priced them by the bit, bit for bit that you might pay for a high speed hollywood movie delivered down a digital pipe.. your yearly telephone bill should about a $1.
They only place they are making money is on softw
Uhhh... Right... (Score:1)
Reliability (Score:2)
Re:Reliability (Score:1)
The cable service is pretty good in terms of quality...when it's working, although I did install a custom line amplifier to insure decent signal to every coax connection in the house. The problem, and the reason I don't use cable for my network is reliability. Their uptime is really good, but certainly not 100%.
I really like my DSL service...it's jus
A dream vision.... convergence. (Score:2)
At the end, in a couple of years, or decade(s) all traditionnal phone lines will dissapear replaces with data-lines, high speed fibers directly to each home. 10G wireless networks will be capable of over 100mbps directly to any wireless devices. Secure IPv6 will be the norm so each device in the world can be uniquely identified.
There will be phone ad
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Re:Death To The Cellular Pirates! Hoorah! (Score:1)
Look what the telcos started doing when people used all of their (paid for) bandwith with programs like Bittorrent...
Hooray! (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems to me that the vision of the future we all have today is nowhere near as optimistic as the vision of the future they had in the '50's. They all thought that by this time everyone would have flying cars, video phones, personalized robots to eliminate boring chores, food pills that would provide the nutrition of an entire meal in one small pill and so forth.
What's our equivalent of the flying car? It's not the flying car -- we've pretty much decided that that is an insurmountable engineering task for the foreseeable future. Virtual Reality? Doesn't seem to have the same style the flying car did and I don't expect VR to catch on anytime soon. Possibly not within my lifetime. A manned trip to Mars? I suppose it could be a manned trip to Mars.
Don't get me wrong, we're still doing some neat stuff. We just don't seem to have our sights set as high as we did back then.
Re:Hooray! (Score:2)
I've got a copy of the "Tomorrowland" DVD released by Disney a couple of years ago - mainly stuff about space made in the 1950's. Especially enjoyed the one about Mars - since I first saw it in 1962 or 63. What was a bit weird was seeing Ward Kimball as he looked in the 1950's as compared to what he was like in person in the 1990's (and he was still quite a charact
Re:Hooray! (Score:1)
What I'd like to see (Score:4, Funny)
Can't wait for television on stamps (Score:5, Funny)
I am surprised Apple isn't realizing the potential of showing videos and playing music on stamps. I mean, the iPod Nano is slightly bigger then a stamp.
I am also surprised Google hasn't figured this out yet, all that wasted space on a letter that Google could put ad words and Google adds on. That stamp is just dying to display Google content.
Also, think of the potential of not having to buy extra postage stamps when the Post office increases their delivery charges on a monthly basis. You could setup a stamp website that takes people's credit cards and automatically bills them for the increase in delivery charges and update the stamps face value, while the letter is CURRENTLY in transit! The post office could change their postage fees as easily as Gas companies change the price of oil!!!! No more returned mail for insufficient funds
Why is this so laughable, I mean, they thought TV on cellphones would work, why not stamps?
I don't know, I think the telecommunications industry has exhausted all their ideas for cell phones, I mean, TV on cellphones was so last week. The future is in Stamps I tell you, STAMPS!
Snacks over IP? comin' soon (Score:1)
Perhaps a "Ham and Rye over IP with a pickle?
Don't laugh. Nanotech matter printers are on the horizon. You just maybe getting' your P&J on whole wheat while watching "Mod Squad" over the same broadband wireless connection.
Video Killed the Internet Star (Score:5, Insightful)
But now they've returned, buying up regional Bells and mobile operators rather than compete with them. Telephony is a lot like a duopoly, at least in "primary service" (the corp that bills the customer and maintains the brand): AT&T and Verizon. Their real competition comes from cable TV, with its own infrastructure, brands and increasingly telephony, and a little from Internet - the parts they don't own, like the cablemodem ISPs. So their strategy is to fight their main competitor, which is clearly cable TV.
They could have just made telephony better. Mobile phones so reliable they never permanently drop calls. Making the Internet so cheap that it "goes away" from customers minds, replaced by billable services. Integrating voice as merely a feature in every app that ties people together. Making ubiquitous "phones" the multimedia terminals of a complete telecom environment. But that meant taking a risk competing by improving the product, actually competing with cable TV in quality.
Instead they just want to leverage their competitive advantages, especially regulatory, to kill the competition and inherit those customers. All this talk of "2-tier Internet" is just a way to use up all the extra bandwidth capacity on video, making it scarce and expensive rather than cheap. The "nonpremium tier" will force competitors to substandard performance, or to subsidize their own demise, just like telcos did to DSL competitors for the few years they taught telcos how to operate that business.
All whether customers want more video or not. What we want is more P2P, more separated interests between networks, content and apps. More reliable, simpler features that connect us to each other. Instead we'll get a dazzling array of crappy features and content, all funneling a fat pipe from our wallets to the cartel controlling the network.