Faulty Chips Might Just be 'Good Enough' 342
Ritalin16 writes "According to a Wired.com article, 'Consumer electronics could be a whole lot cheaper if chip manufacturers stopped throwing out all their defective chips, according to a researcher at the University of Southern California. Chip manufacturing is currently very wasteful. Between 20 percent and 50 percent of a manufacturer's total production is tossed or recycled because the chips contain minor imperfections. Defects in just one of the millions of tiny gates on a processor can doom the entire chip. But USC professor Melvin Breuer believes the imperfections are often too small for humans to even notice, especially when the chips are to be used in video and sound applications.' But just in case you do end up with a dead chip, here is a guide to making a CPU keychain."
Already commonplace with RAM chips (Score:5, Informative)
Old? (Score:2, Informative)
Caveats (Score:2, Informative)
Xilinx offer EasyPath [xilinx.com] option by testing for a customer-specific application. Customers use EasyPath customer specific FPGAs to achieve lower unit costs for volume production once they know their design is fixed and no longer requires the full programmability of an FPGA.
Faulty Chips (Score:3, Informative)
Ati and nvidia do this already... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Faulty Chips (Score:4, Informative)
Re:oh yes, by all means (Score:5, Informative)
They mainly sell old stuff, almost all of it's used.
There's this company that they currently get most of their inventory from, let's call them company X.
Company X sells used parts too, they just do rigorous testing before they send them to customers, so a lot of it is marked "defective".
When company X marks something "defective", they pay to have it shipped to my friends' company. It's actually cheaper to do that than to recycle the parts, so my friends' company actually pays just a few dollars for a thousand pounds of equipment.
My friends personally go through all of the components, and put them through the extensive refurbishing process of blowing the dust off and inserting them into static bags.
They test it "good enough".. which entails making sure the computer boots up with that RAM and CPU. Maybe a 1 minute memory test on occasion. All in all, about 10% of everything they send out is worthless, and will be sent back by the customer in a week.
Re:Already commonplace with RAM chips (Score:5, Informative)
don't forget that.
but the real reason for disposal i think is that throwing away at that early saves money from the manufacturers, like, it's much cheaper to throw away one chip than to throw away a tv that doesn't work good enough to be sold.
however.. what would be the good solution? maybe build the chips redundantly so that it wouldn't matter if one gate didn't work?
Re:i486 SX vs DX? (Score:5, Informative)
I remembered reading something like that so I dug out an old book of mine, "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" by Scott Mueller (2000):
Re:This is completely bogus. (Score:4, Informative)
There is another article here with some extra details. http://www.isa.org/PrinterTemplate.cfm?Template=/
Re:Not quite (Score:2, Informative)
Here's a short paper on how it's clocked:
Charge Recycling Clocking for Adiatbatic Style Logic [berkeley.edu]
Formica
Audible distortion and metadata (Score:5, Informative)
Second, even if all the bits of the sample are wrong, an answering machine probably samples at 8k Hz. If one sample has the wrong value, then the pop will be 0.125 milliseconds long, so not really that bad.
A single sample error will sound like the click in this wave [jk0.org]. But many digital answering machines use lossy compression optimized for the periodic sound of the human voice. A bit error in one of those may spread out over a whole speech packet, producing audible pops like in this wave [jk0.org].
In addition, even if the audio storage is lossy, there would need to be either a second certified defect-free part to hold metadata where in memory each message starts and ends, or an error-correcting code applied to the metadata.
Re:Sounds like Radio Shack parts (Score:5, Informative)
As well, there are a few off-axis surplus places (allelectronics.com, for example) that have super deals on things compared to the big suppliers, but less selection. Do you know a good surplus place? Add it to this thread!
Re:Ati and nvidia do this already... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sounds like Radio Shack parts (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Already commonplace with RAM chips (Score:1, Informative)
also all DRAMs have a big amount of redundancy on their dies, that is activated instead of defective cells after testing. you can be sure that right after wafer processing not a single DRAM chip build with current technology has all cells perfectly working. this is only accomplished by replacing defective cells by redundancy.