NARA Goes Online 123
TeachingMachines writes "NARA, the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration, has gone online. NARA's self-described mission is 'to ensure ready access to the essential evidence that documents the rights of American citizens, the actions of Federal officials, and the national experience.' A very relevant site for the times, with transcripts and images of the most politically important documents of the United States. Included are the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. Check out the list of available documents. The site is pretty large, with some incredible exhibits, and even an image of the original Magna Carta. Definitely worth a look."
oh great... (Score:3, Funny)
*checks out the website thats growing slower*
Fantastic! (Score:5, Funny)
Time for us to just sit back and enjoy the ride. Any moment now, the US population is going to wake up.
Re:Fantastic! (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, It's a shame they're not posting up all the declassified US govt documents that are coming out [frankolsonproject.org] and linking Cheney and Rumsfeld to all sorts of evil shit... Now that would be worth having online on a reputable site, so that we don't have to go by the word of journalists anymore, but can see for ourselves all the evil shit that has been going on...
Daniel
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>Results for: taliban
>12 results found, sorted by relevance
I think you're right. Sadly.
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But no! Hang on! The sixties are coming soon!
When the 60's doc get on line, that's when the revolution is going to happen!
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Either that, or people will start smoking more pot.
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They already do! Long Live Switzerland 8-D
Daniel
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Every single child going through skill gets drilled in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence article by article. We spent 6 months studying and discussing the Bill of Rights alone. Anyone that claims to have gotten out of high school without learning these concepts and our rights as US citizens must've been the m
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2, Insightful)
It is just as easy to sit through an American Government class without learning anything as it is to sit through Algebra or English and not learn anything. The only precondition is that you have to not care, which is easily met.
Agreed.
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Also agreed! AIUI, immigrants have to pass tests on English and on the US before they can become US citizens (hence vote). Why couldn't the same apply to people born in the US? Better still, a simple test on issues relating to that specific election and the candidates. Even just generic things like the candidate's names, who the incumbent is, that kind of thing. 10% turnout of people who actually care and have a clue would be better [IMO] than 30% turnout of
it doesn't matter (Score:3, Interesting)
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byte me... (Score:1)
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Subject: Your Rights Online
Your RIGHTS are being abused! Read about it here!!!
http://www.archives.gov
Hey, it's meant to be funny
SB
But who watches the watchers? (Score:3, Insightful)
to ensure ready access to the essential evidence that documents the rights of American citizens, the actions of Federal officials, and the national experience. (bold mine)
Last I checked, the archive is run by the government (www.archives.gov), so how upfront are they going to be about the "actions of the Federal officials"? This seems like a good idea, but it could easily become little more than a "rah-rah-look-at-how-great-we-are" propaganda machine. I truly hope not, because it seems like a great idea.
Re:But who watches the watchers? (Score:3, Interesting)
I look forward to seeing transcripts from the Nixon tapes there in the future. And transcripts from the Iran-Contra hearings. And s
Yes, it's worth making these documents available (Score:4, Funny)
we used to have.
It'll certainly be useful when kids start asking these questions:
"Daddy, is it true you used to have the right to privacy?"
"Daddy, is it true you used to have the right to see the evidence against you and defend against it?"
Re:Yes, it's worth making these documents availabl (Score:1)
He who controls the present controls the past.
He who controls the past controls the future.
Your questions show how much is already lost. (Score:4, Interesting)
First the question won't be asked because the meaning of the word privacy will have been altered beyond recognition. You child will think they have a "right to privacy" and that it's worth dying for, but they will have no clue to what this means:
"Amendment IV [archives.gov]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
The "right to privacy" is a diluted positively asserted thing which can and does allow unreasonable searches without warrent specified by the much more powerful limit on government action above.
"Daddy, is it true you used to have the right to see the evidence against you and defend against it?"
"Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Your child won't know what a Grand Jury is and due process of law has already been perverted so no such thing is needed. The secret court says you are a terrorist, knowing how they know would alowy you to hurt more people off to jail you go.
What's all this fuss over anyway? We stared at the Soviets and global destruction for 50 years without becoming a police state. China is still around. Now, becase some jackass in Afganistan manages to kill a few thousand people we panic?
What do we think we are going to stop? Terrorists WILL get their hands on nukes, they will take out cities and nothing can be done about it anymore than Israel can keep people from pipe bombing cafes. The world will go on.
The only thing we can assure is what kind of world that will be. We can become another slave state or we continue to offer hope to the world for a better tomorrow. If we get lazy and turn on each other not only will the terrorist have won, they will have been right.
Slave. (Score:2)
What a great defeatist attitude. It's a little like saying "we're all going to die anyway so why not kill ourselves now?"
No, I say we are going to live so let's live well.
Terrorism is not a forgone conclusion and there will not be a better world until you eradicate terrorism and all religous funatics. The question is whether you are willing to lessen some of your civil liberties now or wait until things get so bad that they have to declare martial law?
Eradi
Re:Your questions show how much is already lost. (Score:1)
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Magna Carta (Score:2, Insightful)
Pop Quiz: Where was the Magna Carta signed? (Score:2)
I'll be here all week folks. Please, try the fish.
The correct answer: (Score:2)
Which sort of proves the point that things are more easily remembered when put in a catchy song.
~Philly
history (Score:1)
NARA goes online (Score:3, Informative)
-CZ
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Of course we can now say that the NARA is offline, because they've been slashdotted. Must be a slow news day, or something.
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until it was
Excellent site (Score:5, Insightful)
We leave our country and move to the United States because of the nebelous thing called "Freedom". Having all the relevant documents in one spot that can be studied is a fine thing.
For you who were born here, perhaps the Gettysburg address has lost its thrill, but for me, when I heard it on a recent "Civil War" showing on PBS, my hair stood on end and a shiver ran down my spine.
Especially these days, readers should re-acquaint themselves with the constitution, the bill of rights, and some of the famous speeches [state.gov] of past leaders. It takes a little digging to find what you need on the new site, but it's all there.
Maybe i'm a little off topic, but just thinking about what this adopted country that I love so much stands for, and the fight that we on the home front are doing to make sure that our freedoms and rights remain intact in the face of so many obstacles -- makes it all worthwhile.
Re:Excellent site (Score:2, Insightful)
Lost its thrill? If you asked a random person on the street about the Gettysburg address they'd likely give you a blank look. If you then said, "You know, fourscore--" they would finish "and seven years ago!" and maybe give a you a great big sloppy grin, but 99 out of a hundred wouldn't be able to tell you anything beyond "our forefathers".
dalamcd
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Fourscore and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent...
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dalamcd
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Re:What's the point of sending these documents? (Score:2)
Trying to draw an analogy between the /. moderation system and the US Constitution is like trying to compare apples and car engines.
The moderation system is nothing at all like the rights listed in the Bill of Rights. The moderati
Voting Records of Reps (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe this exists somewhere I've not found. I'd like to see a nice searchable voting record for Representatives, which is indexed against Presidential Vetos and Supreme Court rulings. If a bill was originally drafted by a non-legislator, I'd like to see that, too. Then on top of that, summarize certain interesting tallies.
Rep. Harry Careless (X-SS) has sponsored 2 and voted in favor of 18 bills, subsequently Vetoed or Struck.
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The League of Women Voters has list like this, but the problem is that thay are all worthless: (read on)
All bills in our congress are titled with nice names, but unfortunatly the devil is in the details - the substance of the proposed law differs drastically with the impresion you get with just reading the titles of the bills.
Ex
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Which is the whole point of the system I have in mind. Along with how they voted, include a small summary (if possible, given things like PATRIOT) describing just what the bill means. Its just fustrating to me when the media (generally but I know there are a few good eggs) focuses on who said what and gives almost no coverage to who voted w
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If you do this correctly, you can then sell the service at a very small fee to special interest groups. These groups could then offer to send emails to their followers with their slant on the votes.
Send an email to beer
Common Cause Megavote (Score:2)
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Good Site but It's Sad (Score:5, Interesting)
I am not in the US but I must say that I think the US Constitution is very well written and a great model for any nation (even if I may not totally disagree with small parts). I just read the Constitution and Bill of Rights and it it is well-written, timeless (i.e.: still applicable) and looks like the authors really cared about democracy and wanted to start a true democratic republic where the people had the power (and were not controlled by a government but had ccontrol over a truly democratic congress).
However, the more I read of the Constitution, the more it seems that the modern governments of the USA try to break every rule (just go through them) it sets (to the extent that I believe many countries are far more democratic). Something I did not know that is interesting is that it seems to implie that the USA government is not allowed to have a permenent army but when attacked the citizens may form one for a short period (hence the right to bear arms, I guess). Throughout it really does put the citizens control, but, I guess, it did not work...
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Also, the Constitution does not, in any way, forbid a standing military. In fact the US (under the Consitition) has always had some form of standing military and primary role of the President is to command the military. The right to bear arms is often interpted as a counter balance to the military; the idea being it is harder for the military to take over if the populace is armed.
I do n
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I was refering to an earlier comment that described it as such and I do not think it is at all.
If you read the bit about the military it could be construed as saying that there should not be a permanent army (e.g: one should be created when attacked) (particularly see the 2-year rule). I am not sure if that is exactl
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That reminds me of a conversation I had with a german colleague. He suggested that the whole matter could be sorted out if Bush and Hussein had a gunfight at dawn.
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Now I think about it, it may be saying that the individual states have standing armies but not the country as a whole (if it is saying what I think it is).
Also, see my c
Typical Bureaucracy... (Score:2)
Yeah right it's not an April Fools, the government really wants to make sure the rights of American citizens and the actions of the government are well documented?
Oh shit, when it's not an April Fools Joke then it's your Ministry of Information. Its name almost sounds like it too.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman. I really never did. What woman are you even talking about?"
Oops (Score:2)
Solaris? (Score:1)
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Federal Register could use some updating (Score:2)
Re:Federal Register could use some updating (Score:4, Informative)
It is interesting that you link to the GPO [gpo.gov] website for the FR rather than the NARA [archives.gov] site. The official record keeper and editor of the FR is NARA, wheras the GPO is just responsible for the physicial reproduction and publication. Both run websites, but I find the NARA site to be much better. Also don't forget their joint website Regulations.Gov [regulations.gov] which went online earlier this year to try to better track proposed regulations still in their comment period and keep the US public better informed.
For those who don't know, the Federal Register [archives.gov] is perhaps the most important function of the US National Archives, and most relevent to US citizens' day-to-day activities. I especially like the fact the that NARA FR website is updated daily with each new issue, including a very well organized table of contents. Furthermore each "publication" within the FR is available in both text and PDF format (no proprietary MS formats here!).
Perhaps of the few things which I would like to see improved are: (1) online avilability of FR issues prior to 1998, (2) more frequent revision of the CFR, (3) easier cross reference between issues, dates, and page numbers, (4) an RSS feed of the daily table of contents, (5) FTP access to the FR, and (6) digitally signed (GPG?) issues.
As far as the functional duties of the NARA, keeping the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and so forth are incredibly important, but usually don't affect the citizen directly...those historic documents' power really is expressed indirectly by governing what Congress can do and how the Justice department works...they are just the framework on which the bulk of the legislation and regulations hang. Please don't get me wrong, those foundational documents are what defines the US and and our freedoms, and as such are the most important documents we have. But seriously those documents are very stable and unchanging and don't require much action on the part of the NARA to maintain beyond being just a glorified museum.
But the NARA is right at the center of the US government and has duties way more important than playing museum.
The Federal Register is where the many thousands and thousands of highly detailed regulations, notices, presidental orders and so forth are recorded. It is the very presence of these writings in the Federal Register which makes them official and binding on the US citizens. The Federal Register is the primary means by which the government informs the country about what it expects us to do and not do. And it is the NARA which has the ultimately important responsibility of recording what's official and what's not. That's an incredibly powerful position if you think about it.
Evidence? (Score:1)
loc.gov (Score:2, Informative)
What's new here?
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Strange Typo (Score:2, Insightful)
With the way things are going, they may as well put all of the federal government's documents and operations online, since there will be no practical way for any alleged citizen to get into the soon-to-be-made W3S (Washington DC Special Security Sector).
You can pick any event in American history to show the downfall starting (my favorite is Shay's Rebellion), but after the events of 1913 (Feder
Woohoo! (Score:2)
This is nothing... (Score:2)
You can walk into any business governed by the state and ask to see any document.
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You can get any federal documents that aren't classified (as in, "confidential" or "secret"), and the US government produces A LOT of documents. Also, laws like FOIA set general limits to how long classified documents can stay classified.
Poll topic? (Score:1)
<1> freedom of religion, press, speech
<2> freedom to bear arms
<3> no quartering of soldiers
<4> no unreasonable search and seizure
<5> due process of law
<6> right to speedy trial
<7> right to jury trial
<8> no excessive bail
<9> bill of rights doesn't deny rights not enumerated
<10> powers not enumerated in constitution reserved for states, people
<X> right of cowboy neal to bare
Re:Poll topic? (Score:2)
To be a proper /. poll, this should read:
powers not enumerated in constitution reserved for states, you insensitive clod.
right of cowboy neal to bare ???I dearly hope this right has been infringed on.
This is good.... (Score:2)
Public docs... It's already been done. (Score:2, Interesting)
We have over a quarter million documents waiting to get filtered into the directory, of which about 1100 have already been processed and are available to the general public. The rest of them are being filtered as quickly as possible and for impatient people, they can be viewed by registering on the site.
Re:Public docs... It's already been done. (Score:1)
seks pissed ol
Good luck finding JFK's brain matter... (Score:2)
How Ironic... (Score:2)
Baldrick: I thought they came in packs of ten (Score:1)
"Goes Online?" (Score:1)
Besides the more mainstream stuff, there are also some really interesting oddball things hanging around. For instance, John F. Kennedy's Favorite Waffle Recipe [archives.gov]. Or a letter from a 12-year-old Fidel Castro to Franklin D. Roosevelt [archives.gov]. Or, most essential of all, When Nixon met Elvis [archives.gov].
Although I'm a little confused about what exactly the big news is...I've been browsing the NARA website for about 5 years now.
Old News (Score:1)
Privacy, accountability, and so forth (Score:1)
How about the proper weblink?! (Score:1)
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In other news, citing the rising tide of civil unrest among programmers and the radical open source movement, George W. Bush appointed Bill Gates of Microsoft Chancellor of the United States. The Chancellor promptly issued emergency powers for himself to better disseminate MS products throughout the US in an attempt to stablize the country.
Whoa..was punctuation (Score:1)
This news is 10 years old (Score:2)
NARA was one of the first government agencies on the web, primarily at first to provide access to genealogical research.
Re:This news is 10 years old (Score:1)
My job involves declassifying all those juicy records everyone wants to see. After many years of doing this I can assure you there precious few things the US government CAN keep secret. It really gives me a good laugh to see all the conspiracy types out there saying the government is covering something up - UFO's, J
Re:Huh? NARA's been online for a long time (Score:1)
Re:Huh? NARA's been online for a long time (Score:1)
This order applies only to the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, and it was signed the day after the French periodical Paris Match published radar tapes showing something sharing the sky with TWA-800.
It's too bad the shitheads here at