Caffeine Vault 149
Brazilian Geek writes: "This is interesting ... Here's a link to the Caffeine Vault. Everything you wanted to know about every geek's favorite drug. BTW, did you know that caffeine can kill? Here's a handy table with the caffeine content of some popular soft drinks and different brews of coffee."
Re:lethal dose? (Score:1)
Red Bull (Score:1)
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:1)
Re:I've had too much caffeine. It's not cool. (Score:1)
Maybe you just shouldn't take 7 of them.
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:2)
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:1)
There's even this article against water, for the people unaware that dihydrogen monoxide is water. Read it. It's fun.
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
is also known as hydric acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
CONTAMINATION IS REACHING EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. In the midwest alone DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
THE HORROR MUST BE STOPPED!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE!
Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous chemical. What you don't know CAN hurt you and others throughout the world.
They forgot Water Joe! (Spring Water + Caffeine) (Score:1)
Want caffeine with without all that other baggage (sugar, color, etc.)? Want to make your own custom drinks with caffeine (e.g., caffeinated orange juice from frozen concentrate)?
Well, a while back I discovered Water Joe [waterjoe.com]. Each 17oz bottle has 60mg of caffeine (and they now do larger bottles too). It's a bit more expensive than cola, but hey...
The same company also makes other bottled water conconctions [waterconcepts.com].
Re:lethal dose? (Score:1)
Ahh, well. Just checked the "rubber bible [amazon.com]" and no, caffeine isn't water-soluble.
Wonder how the water method for decaffinating coffee works then -- just lots and lots of water?
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This is your brain... (Score:1)
Any questions?
Aghhhh nothing like a nice Espresso... (Score:1)
By the way I am always looking for a good place to get a good Espresso... So if you know of any in Melbourne (Australia) let me know, a have a couple but need more...
Also isn't there a double Jolt cola, with twice as much caffeine... Not that I like the stuff!!!
So once again just pass on down some good places for a Coffee in Melbourne, or for everyone else where you live!!!
Anyhow better head,
Brad
Sheesh - oxygen will kill you. So will air. (Score:1)
Drink too much water and you die, stay too long in the water, and you die.
But too much oxygen will kill you even faster. Just breath pure oxygen under two atmospheres pressure (29.4 psi), and you will convulse and die in minutes. Breath from an oxygen tank at 33 feet underwater (10m), and you will die. Breath plain old air at 300feet, and you will die.
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:1)
Deo
Pure Caffiene (Score:1)
Little white granules
Bitter
Re:Caffeine has it'sown MSDS too (Score:5)
if 13 mg/kg is toxic, then for a 200lb (100kg) person the toxicity level = 13mg/kg * 100kg =1300mg
Re:Napster and Google sued (Score:2)
I only recently gained the listening acuity for it to bother me....
I doubt many people notice it
*sips can of surge again*
I like my caffeine served (Score:1)
Caffeine is dangerous, try crystal meth (Score:1)
The main danger of amphetamine and methamphetamine is that they are effective enough stimulants that people can stay awake for days/weeks. Obviously, you should not do this.
Hah. (Score:1)
Re:They forgot Water Joe! (Spring Water + Caffeine (Score:1)
Re:disgusting barbaric fucks (Score:1)
This is hardly news... (Score:1)
Plus, the caffeine images on the site mentioned in the article are kind of lame. Using a copy of CAChe, readily avaliable to most 1st year organic chem students, it'd be piece of cake to make a caffeine molecule that danced, spun, showed electron density, and otherwise entertained, all in
Re:Only 3 % (Score:1)
caffeine (Score:1)
Re:Sheesh - oxygen will kill you. So will air. (Score:1)
I propose you immediately dive to 300ft on a regular air mix and prove us wrong.
Instant Tea (Score:1)
You do realise that that was invented by Communists. They realised that Proper tea is theft
lethal dose? (Score:2)
Now I wonder how many coffee beans go into an average cup of coffee. I wonder this because I used to eat chocolate covered coffee beans by the handful. I would think that the amount of coffee beans, combined with the chocolate, could easily kill. I have to question these statistics.
JL
Re:lethal dose? (Score:1)
One gram dissolves in 46 ml water, 5.5 ml water at 80 C, 1.5 ml boiling water, 66 ml alcohol, 22 ml alcohol at 60 C, 50 ml acetone, 5.5 ml chloroform, 530 ml ether, 100 ml benzene, 22 ml boiling benzene. Freely sol in pyrrole; in tetrahydrofuran contg about 4% water; also sol in ethyl acetate; slightly in petr ether. Soly in water is increased by alkali benzoates, cinnamates, citrates, or salicylates.
LD50 (Score:1)
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Re:Hah. (Score:1)
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Missing beverages (Score:1)
Just a side note:: RC Cola is the official drink of the little league. I can just see the entire team bouncing up and down on the bench right now: "Come one coach!!!! PUT ME IN!!! I CAN DO IT COACH, COME ON PUT ME IN"
Disclamer: this post is probibly incoherent (if that's even spelled right) because I'm tired.
Red Bull (Score:1)
And that is only the export versions. The Austrian originals had lots more. Couple this with Orange Absolut Vodka (55%) and "We have a winner".
MRo
Do it yourself decafination for teas (Score:2)
If you like tea, but can't drink caffine for medical reasons, try this: steep the tea leaves in boiling water for 30 seconds, throw out the water, and then steep the leaves in new water. Caffeine is highly water soluble, and 80% of the caffine is disolved in the first 30 seconds.
I've found this technique to be very useful, since the selection of pre-decafinated teas at the local stores is piss-poor. Now I can drink whatever flavor I like.
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Medical mathematics (Score:2)
I've been trying to figure out something for a few years. Is it possible to maintain a constant blood-caffeine level? I imagine this would have to be accomplished by tracking your caffeine intake, and supplying yourself with a sustained, regular dose. What I'm having a hard time understanding is the concept of half-lifes of medical dosages, absorption rates, etc.. Does anyone have any simple, layman's way of explaining any of this so that I could experiment on myself a little?
Re:lethal dose? (Score:1)
Re:Some guy... (Score:1)
I don't think coffee and LSD would go together. Impossible. He's a freak.
Only 3 % (Score:1)
Caffeine Lipstick (Score:1)
I get enough of a buzz from kissing someone on the lips without getting a hit of caffeine when I do it!
Baz
Re:lethal dose? (Score:1)
If you take a look at the entry at the caffeine vault (or in Merck), it turns out that caffeine's water solubility is very temperature dependent. Merck lists it at 1g / 46 ml at room temperature (which certainly sounds pretty soluble to me) and an astounding 1g / 1.5 ml at boiling. That's awfully damn soluble at the temperature at which most people brew their coffee and tea.
It's actually pretty noxious- worse IMO than the old method of direct extraction with methylene chloride. I once knew a senior chemist from General Foods, who described the process to me.
Basically what they do is to make a batch of super-strong coffee, so strong in fact that it's saturated in all the water soluble elements of coffee. Then they extract this "water" with methylene chloride. Caffeine is quite unusual in that it's highly soluble in both water (at least hot water) and methylene chloride, so they basically extract only caffeine and closely related compounds that way. Then they take this decaffeinated "water" and use it to extract the coffee beans, presumably at close to boiling. Since it's saturated in everything except for caffeine, it doesn't extract anything from the coffee beans except for caffeine. My source for this says that they recirculate the same batch of "water" through the process for years, which is why I'm not terribly impressed by it.
Re:Do it yourself decafination for teas (Score:2)
The solvent most often used for decaffeination is dichloromethane (also commonly known as methylene chloride). Chlorinated hydrocarbons are basically all known or suspect carcinogens, but apparently this process is still considered acceptable because the decaffeination is performed before roasting and any of the volatile dichloromethane is driven off in the roasting process. Starbucks' literature, at least, claims that dichloromethane is below detectable levels (which are quite low) in decaf coffee beans.
Also FWIW the CO2 used for extraction now is actually supercritical, not liquid. The difference is not terribly important or obvious to the layman, but it does apparently have a pretty dramatic impact on its solvent properties.
Surge vs. others... (Score:2)
caffeine puts me to sleep (Score:2)
No kidding! When I was younger, up to about ten years ago, I got the same effect off caffeine as everyone else - it helped me stay awake and made me a bit jittery. But for the last three or four years I've had an odd reaction, which I am curious to know if anyone else shares.
First thing in the morning I always drink one cup of coffee, and it clears away the cobwebs. (For all I know that could be the effect of the sugar - I sweeten my coffee with honey at home.) But then any time in the day after that, whenever I drink a cup of coffee, rather than getting me all tensed up, it has the paradoxical effect of making me want to put my head down on my desk and take a nap. So where I used to dose myself with coffee to stay alert at work, now that technique doesn't work at all anymore.
And where some people, after having drunk a cup of coffee late at night, find it difficult to go to sleep soon afterwards, for me, if it's late, a cup of coffee sends me right off to dreamland. For me, caffeine is a more effective sleep-inducer than an alcoholic drink. A while back I had to drive home from one of my company's branch offices at 3:00 AM and I made the mistake of drinking a cup of coffee from a vending machine at a rest stop en route. I was tired but OK until then, but immediately after drinking the coffee I started drifting off while driving and being awakened by the vibration from running over the reflectors on the lane stripe - if I hadn't given up and pulled over to the side of the road for a quick nap in the driver's seat, I think I'd have wrecked my car.
Am I the only one who experiences this effect?
Yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net
Why Surge Makes You Shake (Score:1)
I think it was just the taste. No human being should be made to drink that stuff. People say Mt Dew looks like piss, but I swear I've seen pubic hair floating in Surge bottles at the store.
High Doses (Score:2)
Yah, drop a ton of ice on someone, and they'll be dead!
;-)
morning thunder (Score:1)
Jolt Cola: 72 mg. caffeine
Drip Coffee(7 oz.) 115-175 mg. caffeine
Espresso (2 oz.) 100 mg. caffeine
Now I now why those coffees with two shots of espresso that I drink when I need to wake up work so well. Its almost four times the caffeine as a Jolt!
Nicotine (Score:2)
Re:morning thunder (Score:1)
Re:Sheesh - oxygen will kill you. So will air. (Score:1)
Huh?
I've climbed a 14000+ft. mountainwith no ill effects. Are you maybe thinking of 300psi?
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:5)
Re:Medical mathematics (Score:2)
Health Effects of caffeine (Score:2)
Oh, and the other thing: ever wonder why Excedrin and some of the other headache medicines have caffeine in them? In part, it's because caffeine withdrawal in addicted patients (half of America it seems) can give you headaches. So that's the other thing.
The Bene Caffeinate Mantra (Score:1)
The coffee-lover's version of the mentat mantra from Frank Herbert's Dune:
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
No (Score:1)
My new wallpaper... (Score:1)
Re:Do it yourself decafination for teas (Score:2)
There are two kinds of people in the world: chemists and normal ones
12-Mile-Limit Cocktail (Score:1)
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Didja know... (Score:1)
Re:Why Surge Makes You Shake (Score:2)
Re:Laxative properties (Score:1)
That's why I like a cup of decaf after dinner. Not that it "expels" (ewwwww...), but it really settles your stomach.
let's be medically realistic (Score:5)
The achlorhydria is also pretty rare, and you can digest much of your food. I've never heard of a reported case of achlorhydria from chronic low-level polydipsia leading to clinically significant malnutrition.
I wouldn't leave people with the impression that caffeine is just as toxic as water. It's not. It's more toxic, and it can kill you if you overdose on it. If you don't do the stupid "deadline in 2 days. No more sleep and a couple boxes of nodoze should solve it", you'll never run into trouble. If one of your coworkers on a project or something starts getting really confused and lethargic after taking a lot of caffeine (slumping down, not making sense, staring off), you should take them to the ER and get charcoal down their throats fast. It'd be hard to get there by drinking coffee (who can get 50 cups down that fast), but those 100mg tablets can add up fast.
hrrm (Score:1)
I don't think it's that weird. (Score:1)
I can understand how one might have a problem with caffeine and a desire to stop using it. By no means do I wish to trivialize the possible long-term consequences of pot or LSD usage, but I will note three things true about the drug caffeine that are not necessarily true for pot or LSD. Caffeine is cheap and readily available, it is acceptable to ingest caffeine just about wherever you want, and it is physically addictive. LSD is not something most recreational drug users do everyday. For one thing, it's not very easy to have LSD around all of the time, even if you are a small-scale dealer. Secondly, it's not something you really want to do everyday. You want to allocate a chunk of time in advance for when you want to trip because you know you're going to be awake and unable to sleep for several hours. You also want pick a time when you won't need to drive somewhere or will be expecting a visit from an unpleasant person such as a relative or an IRS auditor. There are precautions that most recreational drug users think about before they decide to trip. It's something you put more thought into and something that is generally done infrequently. It's more common to smoke pot on a regular basis, but obviously there are reasons why you would still restrict your intake so that you're not smoking up all day long. You can lose your job if you're stoned at work, get in an accident if you're stoned when you drive, etc. These are just a few examples of why you'd have reason to put some serious thought into the times and frequency in which you'll smoke pot.
Caffeine does not mentally impair you the way that alcohol, pot, or LSD does. However, it's still a drug! It still effects your body, and as such it's a good idea to regulate your intake of it. Regulating your caffeine habit could be more difficult than restricting your cannabis or LSD usage because you can ingest caffeine just about whenever you want! You could go to work, drink coffee, eat your lunch and drink soda, drink more coffee in the afternoon, etc. and not worry about it because it's viewed as totally harmless. You didn't have as many reasons to think about why you should watch your caffeine intake. If you are extremely careless, you could get yourself into patterns of lacking energy, being unable to concentrate, and being up at hours you don't want to be.
I'm of course not saying the health effects of caffeine are worse than pot or LSD, or anything like that. I'm just saying I think it is completely plausible that someone could have a problem with a caffeine addiction that's having unpleasant effects on their life but at the same time be able to use pot and LSD in moderation and responsibly.
Trip Reports (Score:1)
don't miss their Report Collections [lycaeum.org]. crazy stories if you can skim skim some junk. (well, It includes accounts from people of various ages and backgrounds, aims to give a picture as complete as possible.) Enjoy.
Speaking as one of the serious addicts (Score:1)
I know the effects of not having caffeine for one day do not qualify as mild, unless mono also qualifies as mild.
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nothing new (Score:1)
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Re:Red Bull (Score:1)
BTW, for those who wonder whats up with the Mountain Dew, Canadian law looks at it like this: In dark drinks, coffee, cola, etc., Caffeine is considered a flavour enhancer. However, in light drinks, it's considered a drug, and has to be controlled as such. Thus, no Red Bull, and no caffeinated Mountain Dew.
However, for those who need a kick, Jones Soda's Whoopass [jonessoda.com] is pretty powerful stuff... think Jolt meets XTC. =^)
-legolas
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Re:Sheesh - oxygen will kill you. So will air. (Score:1)
I'm a PADI certified scuba diver. The claim that beathing "plain old air at 300 feet, and you will die" is so much bullshit. Plain and simple, no other name for such rank misinformation.
Of course, if you want to go down to 300 feet "breathing plain old air" you're going to have to have enough air in your tank to do the necessary decompression along the way to the surface.
I would not use air though for 300 feet, I'd go with a Nitrox mix in my tank.
Deja Vu (Score:2)
Them geeks sure like their caffeine.
Re:Medical mathematics (Score:4)
y'(t)=-k y(t)/(A+y(t))
where A and k are constants that depend on the drug.
Drugs like cocaine have y(t) very small relative to A, so the concentration can be approximated with an exponential decay. This is where the concept of half-life of drugs comes in. The concentration decreases by a half for every half-life of time that goes by. So if the half-life is 1 hr, after 3 hours there is 1/8 the initial amount of drug in the body.
For drugs like alcohol, y(t) is large relative to A, which makes the decay more linear and less exponential. One serving of alcohol takes about an hour to pass out of the body. So after half an hour, half the initial alcohol is in the blood.
To model the level of caffeine in your body without complicated medical tests, you would have to find the right constants for caffeine from medical literature. Then carefully record every source of caffeine you intake to the model. Since caffeine passes through the body relatively quickly, it would be pretty much impossible to keep a constant concentration in the blood. It would be possible to keep the concentration between an upper and lower limit.
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:1)
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Re:Hah. (Score:1)
Wrong direction (OFFTOPIC) (Score:2)
>effects. Are you maybe thinking of 300psi?
Nope. He means 300 ft. You've just got your directions mixed up. Remember he was just talking 'bout SCUBA diving? He means 300ft UNDERWATER.
At those depths, a 21% O2 mix (such as air) will cause you to die of oxygen toxicity within minutes. Oh, and that 78% N2? At those pressures N2 becomes intoxicating, and you suffer from nitrogen narcosis... to say nothing of the bends when you come back up.
For deep diving, a very low O2 mixture is used, generally 5% O2 or less. And to prevent nitrogen narcosis and the bends, an inert gas, usually helium, is mixed with the oxygen.
john
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Re:caffeine puts me to sleep (Score:2)
WKiernan dun said:
Actually, no, you aren't.
Myself...well, I'm of the type that was referred to in less politically correct days as "being hyper" and known more in these days as ADHD, aka "Ritalin Prescription On A Stick". (I grew up largely before the days of dosing kids with Ritalin. I just got antihistamines that had the interesting side effect of being tranquilisers. :)
With a lot of people who run towards being "hyper", stimulants (including speed, Ritalin (which just metabolises to speed) and caffeine) actually tend to mellow one out. You're running on overdrive as it is--it's now thought that stimulants overload the brain just enough to mellow one out.
Myself, I'm not crazy about Ritalin. And yet I drink coffee--actually preferring the strong stuff (espresso, "trucker coffee" (regular coffee brewed approximately double strength--most folks see it as drinkable as battery acid, and my husband has to remind me to make coffee "half your usual strength" if he's to drink it :), etc.). I will probably have no stomach lining by the time I'm thirty, thanks to having literally grown up on trucker's-coffee. :)
I also tend to drink coffee not just to wake up, but often to unwind after a stressful day--the stuff actually calms me down, especially if I put a bit of flavouring into it or make cappuccino...I'll be awake, yes, but relaxed. Prolly has to do with the funky wiring that's in hyper folks in general...
For that matter, the same goes with chocolate...the more bitter, the better. I honestly wish I could find a good recipe to make it like the old Aztecs did (no sugar, black as night, bitter enough to put hair on your chest, and even with the occasional chili pepper added for flavour!). ;) Not much on milk chocolate...not strong enough. Gimme the bittersweet stuff :)
(Hmmm...this prolly counts as a form of self-medication, I expect. Ah well. Somewhat cheaper than Ritalin and a hell of a lot more enjoyable.)
Now, admittedly, OD'ing on caffeine is a Bad Thing. Trucker's-coffee is prolly the maximum you want to take the liquid stuff...and I honestly do think trucker's-coffee is prolly stronger than espresso, to be honest :) I can testify that taking several Vivarin on top of a pot of coffee is a Bad Thing (my sister made the mistake of doing this during cramming for spring exams in college, and literally could not sleep for four days straight--luckily, she had enough body mass to keep from the nastier effects like arrythmias and puking blood and the like, but to this day she avoids Vivarin like the plague)...then again, one can't make cappuccino with Vivarin, or add amaretto flavouring to Vivarin, or experiment in making one's own amaretto or hazelnut Vivarin (well, I guess you could, but it ain't like grinding coffee beans). :)
Re:No (Score:1)
People WILL overdose unless you test the upper bound limits. For ANYTHING, including caffeine.
-rt-
Re:Red Bull (Score:1)
Yup, I buy Red Bull by the caseload in the States all the time, and bring it into Canada. The customs people don't care, I don't have to pay any duty, and I get Red Bull for a month or so.
Before I found Red Bull I used to sleep...
-rt-
Limited stats (Score:1)
Re:Red Bull (Score:1)
-rt-
Caffiene (Score:1)
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Hmm...too much I think... (Score:2)
Coca Cola is practically running through my blood stream.
Anyone here consume leathal amounts of Jolt?
Depression (Score:1)
Also, it fails to mention any link between caffeine and depression - a trend that is common amongst hi-intake coffee drinkers. Myth? Fact? Hmmmm.....
Re:Only 3 % (Score:1)
Re:Health Effects of caffeine (Score:1)
AFAIK it's because of its effects on peripheral veins which then result in a changed blood circulation in the brain.
Why to take headache medicine when a cup of coffee is enough?
Re:Do it yourself decafination for teas (Score:2)
Re:Medical mathematics (Score:1)
For caffeine, I think it lingers for approximately 12 hours with the peak fairly early (within 20 mins to 70 mins). After it starts to wear off, just take another sip. Say every 3 - 4 hours.
NO such thing as too much coffee. (Score:4)
You know, you drink to much coffee when... [sorehands.com]
Re:Caffeine has it'sown MSDS too (Score:2)
So even something not that far over the toxicity level can kill you.
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Re:Caffeine has it'sown MSDS too (Score:3)
Oh, it's not just theoretical rat-torture. Although the guy in question [mapinc.org] did have to take ~90 pills = 18g = ~180 cups of strong coffee = 600 Penguin Mints...
Of course, I must warn against someone eating half a pound of chocolate covered espresso beans, unless they want to stay up for two days.
Yeah, the half-life can be a problem. You're much better off with ephedrine (clean, no jitters), Nicorette(TM) (shorter-acting), or cocaine (the side effect where you turn into God is pretty nice).
- Michael Cohn
Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? :-) (Score:5)
Yep; in sufficiently high doses, anything can kill you. Even abnormally high water intake for a sustained period can kill you in several ways, including malnutirion: if you drink insane quantities of water, your digestive acids may actually become too diluted to effectively digest many foods. Even non-diabetics can overdose on sugar...which makes me wonder why I'm not dead yet considering the deranged quantities of Jolt and sweet sweet heavenly hash I've imbibed...
makes me feel like Elvis when I binge, except that I'd never under any circumstances put peanut butter on my hamburgers.
But back to the caffeine, there was at least one case I recall reading about, in which a mother overdosed her young daughter on caffeine pills by repeatedly feeding them to her over several days. The mother didn't realize that the autopsy would turn up plenty of undigested pills, some with the brand still visible on the capsules...
Re:Caffeine is not (Score:2)
Substantiate please.
- Michael Cohn
Caffeine has it'sown MSDS too (Score:5)
http://erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_data _sheets.shtml
Caffeine Toxicity: Anhydrous: 192 mg/kg lethal dosage for human. Toxic dosage is 13 mg/kg oral man.
That equates to around 130 mg for a toxicity level in a 200 lb person. Females and males are so closely linked on lethality, and toxicicity level, posting both here would be a waste.
I don't think I've EVERY heard of someone reaching Lethal dosage...
Of course, I must warn against someone eating half a pound of chocolate covered espresso beans, unless they want to stay up for two days.
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Some guy... (Score:3)
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What happened to the other 50%? (Score:2)
I can picture one busy habitrail for a few days.
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Now I know!!!! (Score:2)
Re:Caffeine morphine Jolt Cola--what's the diff? : (Score:5)
The LD50 is based on the dose that kills 50% of a group of test animals, usually rats, rabbits or mice through it's direct effects. This dose is multiplied by a certain factor (depending on the weight, and probably species of the test animal), to give a _probable_ LD50 for humans.
At a far lower dose, only 1% may die, or at an even lower dose no test animal may die, but some develop permanent damage to their organs. At a far higher dose, 99.999% may die, but some could survive.
Re:Caffeine is not (Score:3)
Also note that Caffeine isn't as physically habituating as some drugs, but overall it may be harder to quit -- people who are trying to get off speed get some social support and substantial approval for it, whereas society practically encourages caffeine overuse.
- Michael Cohn
Re:Sheesh - oxygen will kill you. So will air. (Score:2)
Of course, if you want to go down to 300 feet "breathing plain old air" you're going to have to have enough air in your tank to do the necessary decompression along the way to the surface.
I would not use air though for 300 feet, I'd go with a Nitrox mix in my tank.
I strongly suggest you take a refresher course. You are a danger to fellow divers. It's also painfully obvious that you don't know the first thing about Nitrox. One of the main tenents of technical diving is that O2 is TOXIC under elevated partial pressures. Diving on EAN32 (32% oxygen Nitrox, a common mix) would most definitely be lethal at 300 ft.
Here's the math, we'll consider a PPO2 of 2.0 (200%) to be toxic, which is rather liberal considering that divers typically regard 1.4/1.5 to be the limit.
300 ft is 10 atmospheres (300 / 33 + 1)
32% O2 at sea level is 0.32 PPO2, at 10 atmospheres, that's 3.2 PPO2 (320%!).
Even air (21% O2) is potentially lethal at 300 ft.
21% O2 = 0.21 PPO2 * 10 AtA = 2.1 PPO2 (210%!)
Instant Seizure in a bottle...
Caffeine Use = Reduced Suicide Risk? (Score:2)
Drugs (Score:2)
Everyone should check out the resources available at places such as:
Erowid [erowid.org]
The Lycaeum [lycaeum.org]
Ecstasy.org [ecstasy.org]
Dancesafe [dancesafe.org]
To those that think drugs are evil, remember Prozac, Ritalin, the heart medicine you take, the pills your grandmother takes every day, and then think about just how much you actually know about the things you put in your body daily.
Do your research -- Enjoy drugs w/peace of mind.
-Kabloona
"We can't stop here, this is bat country!"
Re:let's be medically realistic (Score:2)
Deadline at work, went about 3 weeks, hardly any sleep drinking about 6 quad-shot mocha's a day at minimum. At the end of the time I woke up one morning (after just falling asleep 2 hours prior) with an agonozing pain in my chest. I thought I was having a heart attack. Nope, too much caffeine cause my heart to freak out on me. It hurt. Really bad. I quit very soon after that.
nerdfarm.org [nerdfarm.org]
Re:Some Benefits .. or Everything kills you, again (Score:2)
The thing is that when ephedrine is mixed with caffiene its believed that there can be extremely serious cardiac damage done, ie arrest under medium fatigue.
Hell, even "Seventh Heaven" had an episode about it, and therefore it as to be bad!
Don't forget your Bawls! (Score:2)
To purchase some of your own Bawls, check out ThinkGeek [thinkgeek.com] but I highly recommend against buying from BeveragesDirect [beveragesdirect.com], they don't answer the phone and forget to ship stuff...
Geoffeg