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  • and better explain party positions on issues...

    Proof that Dean is a VRWC plant...

    I read in somone else's JE how Dean was elected and even R's should be happy because it was better to have two viable parties. And I thought "what do those two things have to do with each other?" Get some popcorn, settle into the sofa, and watch the slow-mo disaster sequence. Over and over...

    "We're the party of moral values..."

  • "The way I hope to deal with that problem, is not to abandon our core principles, but talk about them in a different way," he said.

    So we're just going to get more euphemisms now. E.g.:

    Democrats are not pro-abortion, but "we are the party in favor of allowing women to make up their own minds about their health care," Dean, a physician, said.

    So they're no longer pro-choice, you see, they're pro- health care! Who could be against that? ;-)

    • Um- speaking as a pro-life leftwinger, the pro-choice movement has ALWAYS been about health care. First the life of the mother. Then the health of the mother. Then the health of the grandparent's bank account. Then the health of the mother's bank account. Then the health of the father's bank account. Then the health of the welfare system's bank account. Then the health of surviving family member's inheritance (euthanasia, which is legal in my state). Then the health of oil company's bottom line (the
      • The problem with mixing in a lot of trolling when trying to make a point is that it just makes it harder to get it across. If I understood you correctly, wouldn't that be a bit like the following: Say Democrats of the South during slavery tried to suddenly couch the pro-slavery position they'd had for years in the new term "pro-economy". I guess you would point out that it's ALWAYS been about the economy (of the South). Which is totally beside the point: Things like "the economy" and "healthcare" do not mor
        • If I understood you correctly, wouldn't that be a bit like the following: Say Democrats of the South during slavery tried to suddenly couch the pro-slavery position they'd had for years in the new term "pro-economy".

          Great example, since they did EXACTLY that in the two decades leading up to the civil war.

          I guess you would point out that it's ALWAYS been about the economy (of the South).

          And, when you look at it, that was exactly the point of slavery- their self-sufficient little communes known as plant
          • As a non-Marxist, I do not equate a system of having to work hard to make ends meet with "enslavement". All the unfortunate side effects of capitalism in this country in total don't come anywhere close in my mind to the extremeness of the injustice of actual slavery and abortion.

            War, Euthanasia, The Death Penalty, Abortion- all of these are good direct examples of economic expedience overcoming morality.

            I also do not simplistically lump all of these together. We have an essentially volunteer military. We

            • As a non-Marxist, I do not equate a system of having to work hard to make ends meet with "enslavement".

              Understandible- let me know when you've met somebody who actually has to work three minimum wage jobs just to put food in front of their kids or pay the utility bill.

              All the unfortunate side effects of capitalism in this country in total don't come anywhere close in my mind to the extremeness of the injustice of actual slavery and abortion.

              Abortion is one of the unfortuneate side effects of capitali
              • Re: Your bizarre linking of abortion to capitalism:

                You assume that the bulk of abortions are because the babies are unaffordable. If only people were that semi-angelic. Children are aborted because they're "inconvenient", with "economic inconvenience" being only one of several, more specific reasons.

                Re: Actual slavery vs. your phrase "wage slavery":

                Nice. As if needing a job is anywhere near to what slaves of the South went through. Or I guess you're implying that the slaves actually had it better, because t

                • You assume that the bulk of abortions are because the babies are unaffordable. If only people were that semi-angelic. Children are aborted because they're "inconvenient", with "economic inconvenience" being only one of several, more specific reasons.

                  Not neccessarily "a bulk"- and it's really three basic factors of which capitalism can only influence two: Mother's ability to raise the children on her own, father's tendency for violence, and father's ability to economically raise the children/pay child sup
          • if you define enslavement as needing to work from "can" to "can't", 16 hour days, to survive

            I've never met anyone else who claims they are going to use the "literal" meaning of the word and then proceeds to redefine it. I salute your expert trolling tactics!

            As for using that definition, I don't and noone except you does. Of course this would be a weak point anyway since noone has to work. If one wants certain things above a minimum of survival one needs to work, but one doesn't have to work to sur
            • I've never met anyone else who claims they are going to use the "literal" meaning of the word and then proceeds to redefine it. I salute your expert trolling tactics!

              Yep, sure- using Fredrick Douglas's original definition of slavery from the book My Bondage and My Freedom is redefining slavery. I mean, it's not like I'm a 21st century technologist using language from an 19th century slave on purpose or anything, calling dawn "can" and dusk "can't" (obref, 19th century southern slave slang- can being "can
  • At least in some way- left wing bloggers/journalists give him more ammunition, right wing bloggers/journalists take bribes to ask the soft questions and support the unsupportable. In some way, Rove is king, long live Rove!!!
    • AFAIK technically that should more properly have been:

      right wing bloggers/"journalists"...

      That is, I don't believe, for example, that Armstrong Williams is any more a Journalist than Rush Limbaugh. They're talk show hosts. If they choose not to disclose their ties, then their audience gets to decide what they think about it and whether that makes them want to stop listening or not. But those are opinion programs. No journalistic ethics have been breached. Now if Peter Jennings were in cahoots with the Rep

      • I didn't follow it closely (because it wasn't a big deal to me, for the reason I gave), but I think some columnist was also involved in the Williams brouhaha, but I didn't hear about any actual journalists.

        Gives me a good reason to google this story- about a "reporter" in White House Press Conferences, in the pay of Novak, posing as being a hard news journalist, turned out to be a gay prostitute. OH- now that I read the first 10 entries (all blogs by the way, this seems to NOT have hit the mainstream med
        • Certainly slimy and indefensible. If true.

          And leaves me continuing to not know of any actual hard news journalist (Novak, at least in every role I've seen him in, is a commentator) that has been compromised by the Republican Party (unlike, ahem, the Democratic Party).

          <full_disclosure>I have a bias against journalists [slashdot.org].</full_disclosure>

          • It was archived- but I'd point out that in your rant against msnbc that Baghdad may very well get worse in the next year, as the Shi'ite/Kurdish government takes revenge against the Sunnis for Saddam. But at least it won't turn into another Iran- the Kurdish minority is enough of a plurality to see to that. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if the first act of the new government in January 2006 was to seriously depopulate the Sunni triangle- something we SHOULD have been doing on the inital invasion.

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