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Journal Cy Guy's Journal: I am SO Sorry. Thank you for your sacrifice. 26

Journal by Cy Guy

By the time you read this I expect the 1000th official US casualty in Iraq will be reported.

I really wish there is something tangible I could have done to have prevented this slaughter. All I can think of doing to prevent it being repeated in the future is to try ensure more responsible leadership in Washington.

Update 5:15 PM Eastern Time September 7th, 2004

The above link is currently reporting 1,001 US Soldiers lives lost in Iraq.

My condolences go out to their parents, children and spouses.

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    • If you're talking about "thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths" in Iraq, well, it's too late for that. The death toll of Iraqi civilians is well into five figures.

      If you're talking about "thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths" in the US and elsewhere, then how are you assuming that they would have occured?

      Despite the Bush adminstrations continued attempts, there have been no links whatsoever, even historic ones, linking Saddam Hussein's regime to any US deaths at the hands of terrorists, eithe
      • If you're talking about "thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths" in Iraq, well, it's too late for that. The death toll of Iraqi civilians is well into five figures.

        It was well into five figures per year anyway, from what I've seen. (The figures which come to mind are roughly 10,000 over the first year, against 30,000 per year under Hussein.)

        If you're talking about "thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths" in the US and elsewhere, then how are you assuming that they would have occured?

        I don't

        • No links with Al Qaeda is arguable, no links with terrorists is absurd.

          That can be said for the US as well for that matter. So whats the point? ;)

        • Again, where are you reading 30,000 under Hussein?

          I had heard more, but then the larger figure got revised in a ratio that puts the result under 10,000.

          Am I a victim of post-regime Iraqi propaganda?

          • Again, where are you reading 30,000 under Hussein?

            I've just posted a reply elsewhere, that this is Unicef's figure - unfortunately, it's the figure for children alone, rather than the general population.

            I had heard more, but then the larger figure got revised in a ratio that puts the result under 10,000. Am I a victim of post-regime Iraqi propaganda?

            Figures vary widely, depending on quite how you define deaths he caused: he probably "only" shot a few thousand personally, perhaps a few hundred thousan

      • Can you provide one shred of evidence that the US intervention has reduced the risk of global terrorism? No, you can't, because there isn't any.

        How do you prove a negative? Let's see...oh, I know, because outside of the Chechen's, there hasn't been a major attack on U.S. interests since 9/11. Compare that with all of the attacks during clinton's second term (Kobar Towers, Kenyan Embassy, USS Cole)
        Also, we've shut down the main conduit for nuclear designs, Abdul Qadeer Khan [csmonitor.com]. BTW, who do you think was
        • As for the connection between Saddam and terrorism, your religious promulgations notwithstanding (which shows a lack of depth in understanding Islam), fails to recognize both Abu Nidal [fas.org] and Abu Abbas [cnn.com] were BOTH LIVING IN BAGHDAD.

          LMAO, like the Al Qaida that live(d) in the US? If we can't keep a handle on where they decide to hang their hat, you expect dirty ol' Iraq to be able to?

        • The burden of proof rests with those that backed the invasion of Iraq, not those that opposed it. After all, the poor excuse for going to war was to combat terrorism and remove WMDs so, please, show me how this has been acheived.

          Saying that the lack of attacks on the US since September 11th has anything to do with the invasion of Iraq is a complete non sequitor. Were any of the attacks before September 11th related to Iraqi actions? No. Was September 11th itself? No again.

          Does the fact that former terrori
          • And all that "Iraq is trying to obtain nuclear material" stuff was proven to have been bullshit a long time ago. But you knew that already, right?

            Really? [washingtonpost.com]
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              • It's just so damn maddening. I mean, it's not like any of this isn't blindingly obvious to anyone who took a level 200 Poly Sci class, or maybe it's more elusive than I think.

                What I particularly love is the "bombs never solved anything" mentality. I mean, they only fucking ended WWII, right? Right?

                Shit. Bush is now giving the terrorists a front in their own backyard and we're stacking up the dead like cordwood. Personally, if they're going to try to kill Americans, better that it's our best and brigh
                • It's just so damn amusing. I mean, it's not like any of this isn't blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't get all their news from FOX, or maybe it's more elusive than I think.

                  What I particularly love is the "bombs solve everything" mentality. I mean, its not like we'll ever be on the receiving end, right? Right?

                  Shit. Bush is now giving the terrorists a front in their own backyard and we're stacking up the dead like cordwood, terrorist or not. Personally, if they're going to try to kill Americans, bett

              • The two sentences I offered initially are about as far as I will go with them. Sort of a plea to wake up without too much conviction, and therefore no cost to me.

                I admire how you much you care about not caring!

                LOL, how odd that you approve what Bush is doing since he seems to keep plugging away against naysayers, constantly, everyday. Shit, if you were in charge of the whole Iraq deal you would have folded right away!

                You: "Ok...we're gonna clean house over there, then we're gonna bring democracy to them!"

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                  • I work for a living. Yeah, as do most of us, if you ever figure out how not to work for a decent living, be sure to let us know! =)

                    Fair enough.....with a little insight to where you are coming from, fair enough....theres many nights when I get home from work and can't stand to be bothered with my PC. Different jobs, same idea.

                    Yeah, people are usually set in their ways, but again like you said its all in how much it means to you that they "see it your way" to determine how far into it you want to go. I woul

    • Iraq's mass graves. Now you see them [usaid.gov], and now you don't [guardian.co.uk].
    • Ponder the variables of such a world.

      Consider that 1000 military deaths might be better than thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths.

      Allow me to flip to your flop, Devils advocate style. =)

      Civilians Deaths? Check, oh, you meant US deaths? Why should I ponder the variables of such a world, when I'm still pondering what the immediate danger Saddam and Iraq posed was?

      Obviously the US was a direct and clear threat to the Iraqi citizenry, and by all recently established norms, if THEY were to conduct a

    • I suppose we should count ourselves lucky. We got both.

  • never mind (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by bryanthompson ( 627923 )
    the slaughter of the tens of thousands killed by Saddam. Never mind the connections he had to al qaeda. Never mind the fact that he paid suicide bombers' families to kill innocent israelis. Don't pay attention to the fact that he had been shooting at our planes patrolling no-fly zones in the northern and southern areas of Iraq. Forget that he used WMD on his own people and was openly supportive of terrorists. And, of course, ignore the fact that we've liberated 50 million people and the world's safer.
    • 1. Show me even one link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. There aren't any because the two hated each other. If there were links then you can bet your life that the Bush administration would have shouted about them from the rooftops.

      Two countries, however, who did have solid links to Al Qaeda are the US and Saudi Arabia. The CIA and other US agencies directly funded, trained and supplied Al Qaeda when it was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan and Saudi citizens and money have poured into Al Qaeda too.
      • DDT saved more lives than antibiotics and the polio vaccine combined, we damned near had Dengue fever, Yellow Fever, and Malaria wiped off the face of the earth until its use was banned.

    • Re:never mind (Score:3, Insightful)

      by crawling_chaos ( 23007 )
      Saddam is a piker compared to the government of the Sudan. Why have we not intervened there? The North Koreans (and some would say the Chinese) are also far ahead in the atrocities committed against their own people.

      I agree with your assessment of our soldiers. I'm just concerned that our current ADD-addled administration has committed them to an unnecessary war and occupation while the real threat is still running free in the hinterlands of a country that is falling apart and could use another 50,000 troo

    • ooooooh boy... =) Talking points are the FUN!

      let's begin....

      the slaughter of the tens of thousands killed by Saddam.

      I think we have him beat or at least we are catching up quickly, you're talking Iraqi citizens, right?

      Never mind the connections he had to al qaeda.

      What connections were there again? At least they didn't train any of them, Osama anyone?

      Never mind the fact that he paid suicide bombers' families to kill innocent israelis.

      Never mind the US provides alot of funds to Israel, to help them f

      • to help them fight against the Palestinians.

        You forgot the cardinal NeoCon rule that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian. Never mind all those women and children killed and put out of their bulldozed homes etc. I guess it's a self-fulfilling policy--if you piss 'em all off enough by being a big enough bully, you'll be right, they all will want to kill you.

  • Thank you for your sacrifice. (Score:3)

    by curtisk ( 191737 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @03:18PM (#10180559) Homepage Journal
    I've been ranting all over this thread, and missed the initial sentiment. Thank you for your sacrifice. That says it. I don't think you have to apologize, as they know there is the risk once they start a career in the armed forces. I just wish there wasn't so many doubts as to the necessity and extent of this war...so as a soldier, they would never have to ask "why?"

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