Journal damn_registrars's Journal: Damn JE timeout... 32
I don't know if we'll ever see more to this thread from Smitty's JE on what is in his RSS reader , but since slashdot unceremoniously closed out the discussion after my comment asking for smitty to offer some insight in to where his opinions come from as they are unfortunately largely based on false information.
If there's interest, here's a new thread to continue this discussion.
If there's interest, here's a new thread to continue this discussion.
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If I said Donald Trump was himself evil I would have just as much factual support for it as you have for calling gender affirming care to be evil. I would expect that if I made that accusation you would respond with a forceful counter on why you think he's great.
Placing a pleasant euphemism on evil does not make it good. I reject your premise.
Yet here I show you directly where your assumptions do not line up with reality and you are instead offering up only anger and hatred. You are very much telling people how to live their lives, and you are telling people that how they feel is wrong, that who they are is wrong.
I'm not angry with you. I pray for you. I'm telling you that carving children is evil, and you're rationalizing.
I'm sorry but your beliefs here are built on falsehoods. Again, I am telling you that I am interested in knowing where these falsehoods that you are clinging to originated from. We've established that you are intentionally choosing to discard reality in favor of these falsehoods, but I'm really interested in knowing where you got them from.
I reject your premise.
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Yet here I show you directly where your assumptions do not line up with reality and you are instead offering up only anger and hatred. You are very much telling people how to live their lives, and you are telling people that how they feel is wrong, that who they are is wrong.
I'm telling you that carving children is evil
Except that very few transgender youth undergo sex reassignment surgery as youth. Gender affirming therapy is a broad continuum of treatments, and you are rejecting all of them as if they are in your mind somehow all equivalent.
and you're rationalizing.
What is there to rationalize? If a person is not the gender that is listed on their birth certificate, why do you force them to live in a different identity than the one they know themselves to be?
I'm sorry but your beliefs here are built on falsehoods. Again, I am telling you that I am interested in knowing where these falsehoods that you are clinging to originated from. We've established that you are intentionally choosing to discard reality in favor of these falsehoods, but I'm really interested in knowing where you got them from.
I reject your premise.
I accept that you are insistent on rejecting reality here, but I'm asking you why.
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Except that very few transgender youth undergo sex reassignment surgery as youth. Gender affirming therapy is a broad continuum of treatments
I really don't give a French frigate's fo'c's'le for your rationalizations, euphemisms, and mental gymnastics. They are indicative of the internal knowledge of how wrong "Your Team" is, and the demonic effort applied to making evil sound good.
I want to know why you are willingly rejecting reality.
Lord have mercy on your benighted soul. Form follows function. The people screaming the most about the preservation of nature on the one hand are striving to upend it where human children are concerned.
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Except that very few transgender youth undergo sex reassignment surgery as youth. Gender affirming therapy is a broad continuum of treatments
I really don't give a French frigate's fo'c's'le for your rationalizations, euphemisms, and mental gymnastics
Some transgender youth are so distraught over the chasm between their birth certificate and their actual identity that they are collapsing under the mental anguish. Suicide is not uncommon amongst untreated transgender youth. If you want to deny all medically accepted treatments, what options would you offer to them? Or would you rather they just kill themselves, as they don't live up to your ideals of how they should live?
the demonic effort applied to making evil sound good.
I did not realize that you despised these people so much that you consider savin
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Some transgender youth are so distraught over the chasm between their birth certificate and their actual identity
Then they need actual care, not destruction.
I did not realize that you despised these people so much that you consider saving their lives to be "evil".
Not them, but the evil you peddle.
This is helping youth who are in a crisis to be successful and productive people.
False.
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Some transgender youth are so distraught over the chasm between their birth certificate and their actual identity
Then they need actual care, not destruction.
Very very few of them are having surgical or hormonal treatments. More of them are receiving psychological and emotional care.
Far more end up seeing "destruction" by way of suicide than by way of gender reassignment surgery before 18.
I did not realize that you despised these people so much that you consider saving their lives to be "evil".
Not them, but the evil you peddle.
You are voicing support for letting them take their own lives in despair rather than offer them the treatment they need. At that point you are indeed calling the saving of their lives to be evil.
This is helping youth who are in a crisis to be successful and productive people.
False.
The youth who receive care have vastly better outcomes than those who do n
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You are voicing support for letting them take their own lives in despair
No, I am not. "Them" is not an actual instance of an individual. "Them" is a vague handwave supporting a false assertion on your part.
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You are voicing support for letting them take their own lives in despair
No, I am not. "Them" is not an actual instance of an individual. "Them" is a vague handwave supporting a false assertion on your part.
It is trivially easy to find records of transgendered kids who took their own lives because they couldn't get the help they needed and couldn't bare to continue on without it. If you choose not to read up on this then that just brings us back to my previous questions that you are notably avoiding.
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de-transitioners
What does that even mean? Are you trying to convince these transgender youth that they are not what they actually are? Do you really believe that these kids arrive one day and we surgically alter their genitalia that afternoon?
Now be intellectually honest
I am intellectually honest. I am aware of the statistics on how terrible the outcomes are for transgender youth who receive no help at all. Your dishonesty shows in every reply you write. I continue to ask, why do you believe and propagate lies on the matter? What do you have
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amplifying the magnitude of your dishonesty
OK, show me where I am in error [slashdot.org], then:
1. Life at conception, when the genetic information is complete. There is no magic in general, and especially _no_ magical post-conception moment when life, as such, is attained. It is a diabolical lie from the pit to claim otherwise, irrespective of whatever sophistries and credentials are piled onto the falsehoods to make them sound pleasant.
2. Birth with an immutable gender. Various errors, affectations, and illness may run rampant in society, but gender the idea that gender is a social construct is another diabolical lie from the pit. As Timcast points out, there is a trans genocide. It is pushed by these Pluralists normalizing falsehood, and sterilizing Gen Z. Only the Devil would claim to be helping someone with a knee problem by amputating a leg, but that sort of thing is what is miscalled "care" in our twisted day.
3. Form follows function. One is quite aware that other geometries are possible, but the unspeakable is better left unspoken. Because the future belongs to those who show up. And they show up by having families. Families are properly formed by an XXXY chromosome set. There are no legitimate alternatives, just a pack of lies, however transiently pleasant.
4. Tolerance of folly is not wisdom. Nor are accusations interesting. An alternative argument starting with absolute truth and refuting any of 1-3 is of interest. Change my mind.
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conception, when the genetic information is complete
I'll warn you I've spent a lot more time working on molecular biology and genomics than most. I may beat you to death with details here but I'll try not to.
First of all, "complete" doesn't really have a meaning here. Even with the fact that every cell in a body should have - for the most part - the same genome, "complete" is a strange term to try to apply here. One really important concept you're overlooking here is the role of histones [wikipedia.org] which have a profound role in expression of genetic material, and
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So you believe in karma?
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You can cite your faith all you want, but biology, chemistry, and physics refute it. This isn't about culture, this is about you simply being wrong and being too stubborn and indoctrinated to admit it.
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What makes it so?
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in the metaphysical sense
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You throw some words around, but offer no substantive alternative to the clear, simple truth.
The simple truth is that two identical twins do not live identical lives or have identical gene expression. The simple truth is that there is more to the genome than just the DNA sequence itself.
The oversimplification you are attempting to apply to justify your bigotry and intolerance would struggle to distinguish a human from a chimp, yet I don't expect you'll go to great lengths to tell them how to live their lives.
In other words, none of biology, chemistry, or physics agree with your argument.
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The simple truth is that there is more to the genome than just the DNA sequence itself.
Full agreement here. My point is that that genome, and life, begin at conception, and there is no other "magical" subsequent moment (Fusty wants to suggest the first breath, as though there were some voodoo atmosphere present to take the baby from un-life to life.)
The oversimplification you are attempting to apply to justify your bigotry and intolerance
Identical twins are due to a single moment of conception. There is nothing to justify. There are only garbage attempts to rationalize evil at scale not seen since the most hellish excesses of the last century. Were your task not so false and fooli
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The simple truth is that there is more to the genome than just the DNA sequence itself.
Full agreement here. My point is that that genome, and life, begin at conception, and there is no other "magical" subsequent moment
Except that the genome is a dynamic thing. Were it not then multicellular life would never have given rise to anything more advanced than simple slime. This is not about a moment, and it is not the least bit clear where you are going with this. Transgender people are born transgender, they don't become that way at some point. Telling them to deny their own biology is not only bigoted it is absurd. You might as well tell them they can fly if they stretch out their arms.
The oversimplification you are attempting to apply to justify your bigotry and intolerance
Identical twins are due to a single moment of conception. There is nothing to justify.
Yet identical twins are not the
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:-) Maybe you should take the hint...
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Of course I did.. Don't really know why he bothers.. My only question is who is stringing whom?.
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Some discussion are worth continuing...
Yeah, I neglected to tell you this isn't one of them. You say nothing worth a response
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Some discussion are worth continuing...
Yeah, I neglected to tell you this isn't one of them. You say nothing worth a response
Does it bother you that much that he came to reply, that you feel you just have to squeeze in your irrelevant and off-topic opinion on the matter?
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Not my opinion... it's a reproducible fact
Does it bother you that much that he came to reply...?
Not at all. I simply wonder why he bothers, except maybe to hear you try to imitate a chat-bot