Journal smittyoneeach's Journal: "threats of violence" 19
On Wednesday evening, Donald Trump had a chat with right-wing radio person Hugh Hewitt. In that conversation, Trump declared that everything he took to Mar-A-Lago was declassified, and that he has done nothing wrong in connection with alternative slates of electors and cannot be indicted as a result. So there you have it, Trump says that no one can touch Trump. So ⦠case closed. Everyone go on about your business.
But of course, Trump couldnâ(TM)t let it go with only a declaration that he's above the law. He also tossed in a not-so-veiled threat saying that, were he indicted, "I think if it happened, I think you'd have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps we've never seen before. I don't think the people of the United States would stand for it. ⦠I think they'd have big problems. Big problems. I just don't think they'd stand for it. They will not sit still and stand for this ultimate of hoaxes.
Trump did stop short of sending out invitations for the Proud Boys to join him for a wild time at the FBI office. For now. However, he also indicated that a little thing like a federal indictment would not stop him from running again.
Hewitt quickly seized on Trumpâ(TM)s threats of violence, not a means of questioning Trump's motivations, but as a means of attacking what the talk radio host (a role that goes back to the 1920s) described as "legacy media." What if, asked Hewitt, that legacy media said Trump was inciting violence? Just because he was delivering exactly the same kind of threats, using the same kind of language, that he employed before Jan. 6?â
I mean, it's the same boring, repetitive pap that we get from Trump. Mar-a-Logorrhea, if you will. Supposedly, it makes Trump "relatable".
What is absolutely not in evidence, nor has ever been, not even a little, is Trump doing much beyond assigning schoolyard adjectives to his foes.
Has there ever been an example directly tying Trump personally to any violence? Anywhere? We joke about Her Majesty and #Arkanicide, but that's all purely circumstantial.
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Has there ever been an example directly tying Trump personally to any violence? Anywhere?
We don't have to search the interwebs for long before we find well sourced lists of times that he has called for violence. I don't know what you think of vox.com, but here is a list they recently published [vox.com] of times that he has embraced, endorsed, or called for violence with his direct words.
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August 11, 2015: Trump indirectly took aim at Black Lives Matter protesters, calling Sen. Bernie Sanders "weak" after Sanders allowed protesters to seize the microphone at a campaign rally. "I thought that was disgusting. That showed such weakness--the way he was taken away by two young women. ...They just took the whole place over."
... I felt badly for him, but it showed that he's weak."
Trump added, "That will never happen with me. I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or if other people will. But that was a disgrace.
The Fappology Department at Fapp U. must have needed an extended fapp-a-thon to fap that fappery into something that could trigger a fight-or-flight reflex in any reasonable person.
At any rate, thanks for the suggestion to look at DailyKos. Put it in my RSS reader. As funny as the Babylon Bee, without realizing it.
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February 1, 2016: At a campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Trump told the crowd that his security team informed him there may be somebody throwing tomatoes. âoeIf you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There wonâ(TM)t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,â he said.
Similarly:
February 23, 2016: At a campaign rally in Las Vegas, Trump said of a protester, âoeIâ(TM)d like to punch him in the face.â As security guards escorted the protester out of the rally, Trump mocked him, saying, âoeHeâ(TM)s smiling. Having a good time.â He then reminisced about being able to get away with violence: âoeThereâ(TM)s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches. Weâ(TM)re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? Theyâ(TM)d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.â
And it didn't tone down much after he was inaugurated:
October 18, 2018: At a rally in Montana, Trump celebrated Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte, who body-slammed a reporter in May 2017, telling the crowd, âoeAny guy who can do a body-slam ... heâ(TM)s my guy.â
There are plenty of other cited examples further in there as well.
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Anything substantive?
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knock the crap out of him
and
punch him in the face
Not threats of violence? Those are just two examples from there list of him directly calling for violence. Or are you going to move the goal posts on this the same way you did to protect your insurrectionist friends? Does he also need a notarized printed statement of his intentions rather than just his spoken words?
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I'll give you those were threats of violence. Empty threats though, as noted above.
How I long for the time that we had real men in the Presidency, like President Andrew Jackson, who could fight their own battles.
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I'll give you those were threats of violence. Empty threats though, as noted above.
The people who were actually assaulted in the rallies would claim otherwise. Regardless even if some of the threats didn't result in physical violence, they certainly fulfilled smitty's request for examples of Trump's
threats of violence
Notably if it had gone in the other direction - if someone had stood there and openly threatened to assault Trump - the other person would have gone to jail quickly. But because of who Trump is, his hate speech is protected.
real men in the Presidency, like President Andrew Jackson, who could fight their own battles.
Trump knows he'll never need to do that. Even when he was young
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Andrew Jackson was obese too, but he never bothered with fistfights when a gun would do.
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Andrew Jackson was obese too,
Jackson was slim compared to your Dear Leader.
but he never bothered with fistfights when a gun would do.
Your Dear Leader has more than once bragged about shooting people. Granted Jackson was not only orders of magnitude more intelligent than your Dear Leader, he was also a raging communist by comparison, but you don't seem to be willing to let reality interfere with your efforts to praise your fascist interests.
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Trump should be anathematized an not permitted to run for office again.
That recitation from you is getting quite old. I have not heard one person claim that his open calls for violence should be enough to disqualify him from office. You cling so tightly to that conspiracy that you apply it to every single thing that people point out to be awful about your Dear Leader.
Not every awful thing done by an awful human being is equally awful.
Just because you paint all democrats to be awful, and your team had an endless list of reasons why you wanted to impeach and/or public
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Called for != become violent.
I don't think people of his class ever become violent. They're too wealthy, and it's too easy to hire goons to do it for them.
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Called for != become violent.
Smitty asked for
threats of violence
. That article shows cases of that. When you say "go beat that person up", that is a threat of violence.
I don't think people of his class ever become violent.
People who have been beaten up in or near his rallies would disagree.
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Mainly beaten up by counter protesters from what I've seen. The reason Proud Boys started open carry? Because of bricks thrown at them by antifa.
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The reason Proud Boys started open carry? Because of bricks thrown at them by antifa.
False on more than one account. First the Proud Boys were around and doing open carry before anyone was ever assigned as being from "antifa". Second there is not a single valid accusation of an antifa member throwing a brick at a Proud Boy.
You can defend your friends in the Proud Boys all you want, but please refrain from making shit up to make them look better.
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Rose City Antifa, near me, has existed as an organized unit of protesters since the 1940s.
Pretty sure the ridiculously gay Proud Boys didn't exist until the Aladdin song they take their name from.
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Rose City Antifa, near me, has existed as an organized unit of protesters since the 1940s.
You may want to direct them to correct their website, then [rosecityantifa.org] as it says they were founded in 2007.
Pretty sure the ridiculously gay Proud Boys didn't exist until the Aladdin song they take their name from.
The Aladdin movie came out well before 2007.
I can't find any record of anyone from Rose City Antifa throwing bricks at anyone, either. There are plenty of examples of your friends from proud boys proudly carrying weapons openly.
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They certainly do need to correct their website- as I saw their posters protesting skinheads back in the 1980s, and they were specifically mentioned by Governor Tom McCall in his invitation to Vortex I in 1970. Perhaps this is just a new iteration?
At any rate, the leftist method of reacting to police killing a criminal by destroying the city is pretty much normal at this point. It's foolish to deny its existence.
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They certainly do need to correct their website
Feel free to let them know. I'll let them be the experts on their history, and reject your conspiratorial bit on them being 70 years older than you claim.
as I saw their posters protesting skinheads back in the 1980s
Was bigfoot hanging those posters perhaps?
and they were specifically mentioned by Governor Tom McCall in his invitation to Vortex I in 1970
Google has no mention of Tom McCall ever mentioning "Rose City Antifa" that I could find tom mccall rose city antifa [google.com] Being as you clearly have a large axe to grind against them (presumably for them being opposed