AOL & NSI To Team Up 64
kettch wrote to us with a recent story on CNet about AOL and NSI teaming-up to offer "co-branded service". If I remember correctly, at one point AOL was going to compete with NSI in offering domain registrations, so it's interesting to note that they have decided to play nice with each other.
Which version we posting to here? (Score:1)
whohoo! (Score:1)
Good that they team up? (Score:1)
First off, I was under the understanding that competition is good for a healthy economy, quality, and choice-making process.
Second, why is it good that ANYONE works with AOL? I wish everyone would work against em!
Oh well.. now i should go read the article :)
Mike Roberto (roberto@soul.apk.net [mailto]) -GAIM: MicroBerto
Re:whohoo! (Score:1)
Oooops. (Score:2)
Why not, AOL screws up everything else. (Score:1)
Great (Score:1)
Now if they would team up with MS!
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Re:Good that they team up? (Score:1)
The use of the words "interesting" and "play nice with" wasn't exactly an endorsement of the deal. The way I read the comment is that it is interesting, in much the same way that the recent alliance between the Klingons and Romulans is interesting. Whether it is good or bad depends entirely on whether they are shooting, and at whom. But the situation is clearly worth watching.
uh oh... (Score:1)
is a bad sign. It will only serve to create
one giant corporation controlling everything. Forget about a little monopoly like Micro-
soft's, a new one could own all of the market
for everything! It seems like AOL is more
than willing for this to happen, considering
all of the recent merges that they've done.
The loyal members of the
band together and stop them!
OT: Sidebar Contains More Interesting Material (Score:1)
At least, I thought so:
Sounds good to me. (Score:1)
NSI is pure evil!
Sounds good to me.
Now give me my copy of Netscape 6, don't screw it up this time, and pardon me if I get my web pages and ISP service elsewhere....
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Oh this is GREAT!!!!!!! (Score:1)
Play Nice with Each Other? (Score:1)
News from CNET (Score:4)
"Thank you all for being here today. I am officialling taking over the internet. All non-aol approved websites will lose their domain names effective immediately. My new address will be the White House as I've sued the governments of the world out of existance for all their .gov sites (which I own) and other infringements upon my legal rights. My new title will be 'The King: Lord Case, May He Live For A Thousand Years'. That is all, thank you."
Bill Gates and his new company, LinuxSoft, declined to comment.In unrelated news, The two Microsoft halves continue a long and ugly legal battle to untie Windows and decide who gets what. Unfortunately, the current judge was found dead today of what looks like a self-inflicted knife wound.
-Elendale (no longer will I flame AOL mindlessly, I will now make fun of them with fake news posts)
What the deal really means (Score:1)
In other words, AOL users will now be spammed with offers from NSI so they too can over pay for domain registry.
Re:Great (Score:2)
The user bases combine. The companies annihilate one another in a vast cluon-anticluon chain reaction. We're left with nothing but a bleating herd of people almost capable of operating a mouse without benefit of a "For Dummies" book.
None of the survivors can successfully program a VCR or a microwave oven.
All die.
Oh, the embarrassment.
Good Idea, Bad Idea (Score:1)
On the other hand, there's the obligatory paranoid wild prediction. This could lead to the sort of teamup that spawned such funny names as "Wintel."
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Dammit, my mom is not a Karma whore!
AOL already a registrar (Score:3)
The only thing I can think of is that AOL has not been able to make the registration process work, so it's turned to NSI for help. The AOL domain name registration page [compuserve.com] has always been closed to non-AOL members, so I don't know if it was actually offering this as a service prior to today's announcement.
This is scary (Score:1)
Is that a black helicopter? (Score:1)
BZZZT! You're wrong!!
This is AOL and Steve Case. They would not do anything that might undermine their strategic advantage, as purveyor of more newbies than any other ISP-alike, to crush NSI at a later date. We see it all the time in Microsoft's Embrace and Extend philosophy: Jump in bed with the enemy, and once you figure what makes him/her so stellar, jump right back out and offer your bastardized version for less. Perhaps after AOL figures the game out, they'll offer domains that can only be seen by AOL subscribers, and that walk over the outside DNS. Or they figure that they can con NSI into giving them enough of the buck off the newbie domain regs to run them into the ground with sheer volume. Or perhaps they just want to make an 'easy to use' domain registration proceedure for AOL users, in an effort to turn the rest of us into drooling sycophants and unable to use anything more complex than AOL.
What did I do with that bottle of Zanax?? Steve Case is coming for me!!!
Why? To bring domains to the masses! (Score:1)
Obviously, so that NSI can now screw Joe Sixpack on domain registrations. The esoteric registration process had left NSI screwing only the Internet geek demographic.
Investigation Imminent (Score:1)
I'm sorry Steve Case, but I think you're stupid =)
"spare the lachrymosity when the fulminations have inveighed"
Times they are a changing (Score:1)
And what about the universities? Will harvard.edu be changed to HARVARD.EDU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
We're obviously gonna have to set some sort of standard for exclamation marks, now. I suggest 5 for a
Spammers are the future!
New top-level domains (Score:1)
-L
It's a curse! (Score:2)
AOLidiots = "multiyear, multi-million-dollar deal" (Score:1)
1)That you can do almost everything you could ever imagine you wanted to on AOL WITHOUT GETTING ON THE INTERNET. I know that makes YOUR SKIN CRAWL, but to people who have little or no understanding of the net, this is an attractive feature (and please, don't get into the arguement of "if-you-don't-know-what-the-internet-is-you-should n't-own-a-modem" I know, I know, I know)
2)It is proprietary as hell. What a pain it is to try to configure third party software to work with AOL. And try telnetting, HAH! 3) One of their big selling points is the "free" 6MB of web space they offer their customers. I am sure that they are trying to integrate domain name registration and this service together. I also am wondering how much the registration fees will be (probably higher than most services?).
4) For some odd reason, the idea of domain name registration really resonates with AOLidiots. I wish I had a dime for the numbers of times I have been asked in the past few months if I "I thought it was a good idea to register my personal name with a .com". Apparently there's been a spate of newstories lately about people registering their name, registering grandchildren's names, etc.
You've got mail... and a domain name! (Score:2)
This sounds like another anti-trust suit to me. Not only does AOL have the largest number of IM users(and own another large one!), one of the largest ISPs, and a whole bunch of other monopolies... they're going to probably buy out the whole domain name process. When I heard of this around a year ago, it was five different companies that were going to be able to this, one of which was AOL. Although, its very concerning to learn that AOL will have an exclusive agreement with NSI.
This begs the question, can AOL buyout the process of selling domains too?
Re:News from CNET (Score:2)
I can see it now... (Score:4)
"Register your domain now, and get 300 free hours of AOL!"
"With Instant messaging, email, the Internet, and domain names, no wonder it's number one!"
But seriously this bothers me... Why do I forsee this:
A few years down the road, my company, (an ISP) calls up to find out why their domain has not been renewed on the company credit card...
Phone Rep: "AOL-Time Warner-NSI-General Motors-RJ Reynolds, how may I help you?"
Me: "Yes, I was calling to see why my domain, isp.net was not renewed."
Phone Rep: "Ahh, I see that you provide Internet service through that domain?"
Me: "Yup, have for several years now."
Phone Rep: "Well, we have adopted a new domain registration policy for ISPs. Your domain will now cost a percentage of your annual profits. This number will..."
Me (interrupting): What?!?
Phone Rep: "Yes, it's our new policy. Now, if you get 1 OC-3 through us, your cost falls to a 25%, but if you get 2, then..."
Me (interrupting again): Are you kidding me, I'm not giving up my profits for a domain name!"
Phone Rep: "Well, you don't really have choice, see. We own the system. We won't let you transfer the domain. Now, if you give each of your users a copy of Instant Messenger and our Time Warner movies-on-demand service, you cost drops to a mere..."
Me: I wonder if anyone wants to buy an ISP?
-Wintermute
Complete Press Release Mentions More (Score:2)
Checking the cnet story against the release [aol.com] posted at AOL's corporate site, seems that other aspects of this agreement weren't covered by cnet:
The same (unedited) press release [nsol.com] is available at NSI's corporate site.
Might as well get all the information, no matter how trivial.
smells like trouble (Score:1)
-- Greg
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Could be worse.. (Score:1)
Screw AOL (Score:2)
defacto NSI (Score:1)
don't like it? what exactly would you do about it?
yeah, its a little far-fetched (but not that far) and the legal wrangling would be a headache, but anytime a company has outlandish market share like AOL does, their "innovations" tend to push the envelope of legality.
AOL/Time Warner/NSI MegaCorp (Score:1)
It's just one step in increasing influence and dominance. Welcome to the age of the MegaCorp.
Ok here look.. (Score:2)
You fax an authorization form to NSI to get your administrative contact changed. Yet, you never hear back from NSI?
You send an email inquiring as to whether or not they even received the fax, yet you never receive a reply?
You attempt to call NSI to speak with a human, yet you receive a recording. Not the usual recording, but rather a recording telling you all Cust. Reps are busy, and to call back tomorrow between 7 and 9 am... WTF
AOL Already in Bed w/NSI (Score:1)
It's particularly interesting given the amount of revenue Talk.com has been generating, on the order of US$516mil+ in 1999.
Since when does NSI == service/competence? (Score:1)
Re:Great (Score:1)
Further, I wish to amend my previous post to read as follows: "For Cretins"
Better, hmm?
is aoldrinkcoasters.com taken? (Score:1)
#147 - Lawn edger blade
#148 - Wind chimes
#149 - Air hockey puck
Re:Ok here look.. (Score:2)
One on transaction, I actually had to fax my RNCA in *THREE TIMES* before the deal was finally closed. When it finally did, it happened without my knowledge; I never received an email alerting me of the situation, although I was told I would.
I think you're lucky to get the "call back tomorrow" recording; I've always gotten a busy signal, believe it or not.
I'm not the kind of guy to just bash a company for no reason, but NSI truly has been a joke over the past few years
I guess I'm the lazy one for not looking in to and using any NSI's competitors.
mp3police.com (Score:1)
http://DumpNSI.com (Score:1)
Re:Ok here look.. (Score:1)
Re:slashdot-terminal /slashdot search powerless (Score:1)
how can i find what slashdot-terminal wrote ?
kind regards philippe, http://Tita-nic.com/
AOL isn't all bad...or it would be gone by now (Score:1)
Re:Great (Score:1)
(The "For Dummies" phrase is a registered trademark of the good kind folks at IDG Books.)
Re:Great (Score:1)
Well, at least I've never been accused of being a karma whore. Ki ni suru chunen!
Re:slashdot-terminal /slashdot search powerless (Score:1)
That's next month's merger.... (Score:1)
muahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
AOL/NSI (Score:1)
Why? Because, unless I am in close contact with these people, I should not be bothered with their superfluosity and worthlessness. If they so choose to educate themselves and change their ISP, I would readily welcome them with open and loving arms.
With regards to NSI, fuck 'em, I have nothing nice to say... Except this. [joker.com]
Evil empires ... (Score:1)
Red flag! Stop the Monopolys! What was it that allowed AOL to become so large, those damn coasters they send me once a week? Yes, that and name recognition. They don't even offer any good services. They are the McDonalds of the internet and should be treated as such. If McD's decided to buy every national resturaunt chain, would they not be prosecuted for it?
One of the basic rules used against Rockefeller's steel industry years ago is that because of thier size they were able to profit from every part of the production of steel and steel products. The result was that nobody could compete because thier costs for materials were so much greater than that of Rocefeller. If I wanted to start up an ISP, it would cost me a lot of money to get bandwidth, but if I owned the fiber, my costs would be greatly reduced.
Isn't this what we see here? This is no different than AT&T, no different than Rockefeller Stell, and quite different than microsoft. I am still not convinced that microsoft was a TRUE monopoly. They didn't control all of the production of computers, and they definately did not control all the computer markets.
M$ does servers ... Yeah Right! If I was forced to administer a winNT server, I would just pull the plug, it'd work better that way.
Oh, yeah, AOL will have a monopoly in the webbrowser market if the DOJ has thier way. Wasn't that what this whole thing started with?
Re:*shaking head...* (Score:2)
Re:is aoldrinkcoasters.com taken? (Score:1)
The AOL-CD-as-coaster joke having been used to many times that it was no longer a joke, we had to come up with a more creative game to play. Other then Frisbee, one of my favorite to play was to wedge the CD into the slots where our desks joined together, and then, while one person held them back, to throw a small item at it, and then to release the disc, sending said small object richocheting around our cubicle.
On the other hand, (Score:1)
Re:*shaking head...* (Score:1)
Re:Yuck. (Score:1)
Re:Why god why???? (Score:1)
AOL is freaking me out... (Score:1)
But this? AOL owning nearly every domain name? That's the last draw. When I buy a domain name, I don't want it to have ANYTHING to do with AOL. PERIOD. O.K., DOJ, STEP IN NOW!!!
(I mean heck, would you want your webpage known as having anything to do with the most laggy ISP known to man? Not to mention the most offensive???)
Re:Oooops. (Score:2)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Slashdot.
Re:You've got mail... and a domain name! (Score:2)
>This sounds like another anti-trust suit to me. Not only does AOL have the largest number of IM
>users(and own another large one!), one of the largest ISPs, and a whole bunch of other
>monopolies... they're going to probably buy out the whole domain name process. When I heard of
>this around a year ago, it was five different companies that were going to be able to this, one
>of which was AOL. Although, its very concerning to learn that AOL will have an exclusive
>agreement with NSI.
> This begs the question, can AOL buyout the process of selling domains too?
In a word, no. Domain registration is controlled by <a href="http://www.icann.net">ICANN {Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers)</a> by international agreement, which has final authority over most TLDs (Top Level Domains). Any qualified company may become an accredited registrar, equal to NSI. Most important is the ability to become a reseller; many ISPs now do this for a small fee, and the end-user has no idea whether their registrar was NSI, CORE, or any of the other dozens of accredited registrars.
This is why NSI is partnering with AOL. AOL -- which is <a href="http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-
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Re:Can't you read, moron? (Score:1)
Re:Complete Press Release Mentions More (Score:1)
Umm, maybe I've been living under a rock, but WTF is the Netscape Business Directory?
If it is their Business "channel", that is merely a slick repackaging of the Open Directory Project [dmoz.org]. There is no fee to submit URLs to the ODP. As far as I know, Netscape doesn't charge a fee to keep sites listed in ODP's Business section when Netscape repackages the data.
Or is this perhaps a future service? The utility of a FREE listing in something promised Real Soon Now is unknown. Could turn out to be vapor, for all we know. Or a vehicle that no self-respecting person would use anyway.