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Journal tomhudson's Journal: Gender Education VIII - Autogynephiles - Under Revision 23

Journal by tomhudson

I - Basic Info On Transsexuality
II - Are You A Tramssexual?
III - Social and Moral Implications
IV - Questions by Posters
V - Politics And Gender Identity
VI - What's Involved In A Sex Change
VII - Breaking the News
VIII Under Revision - this article

WHAT: This is the eighth of a series of nine articles I'm posting about sex, gender and identity.

WHY: Recent journal entries by several people showed the need. I began the series knowing the risks to my own privacy, of being "outed", but it has turned out to be worth it, since it has helped others :-)

RULES: As always, any honest reply or question is welcome, and will be answered, and posted as a top-level JE so that others can read it. This is a sensitive topic, and the people who are most affected are in many cases extremely vulnerable. Please show the same compassion for them as you would want for yourself or a loved one if the situation were reversed.

Congratulations to Some Woman for winning the poll. Ruzty gets honourable mention (for acknowledging I'm a Canuck even if I'm not from BC :-)

Autogynephiles - Under Revision

In the beginning, there were patients, ostensibly men, who complained about feeling like they were "women trapped in mens bodies." Doctors said, "Well, you have a psychiatric condition, and we can treat that psychiatric condition with therapy, hormones, and a sex change." And all was, if not good, at least tolerable.

Then a curious thing happened. Research showed that the basis for this feeling of being a "woman trapped in a mans' body" had its origin in the brain - that certain structures in m2f transsexuals were the same as those of genetic women, not genetic men. Being a transsexual was no longer a mental illness, it was caused by hormones changing the development of the brain before birth. Transsexuals were "born that way", not "made." A sex change could now be seen as correcting a birth defect. And all should have been better.

Note: The rest of this article will have to be re-written. I made some statements that were, at best, unfair, and for that I apologize. I will do my best to make an impartial re-examination of the facts before reposting.

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  • What's the difference between AG and TV? Besides one wanting surgery, etc.
    Did I miss you talking about TVs, earlier? Oh, no, doesn't look like it.

    I would think there are several differences, but as I don't know what exactly drives TVs, assuming they all have the same reasons. I would think that some people we used to think of as TVs are "just" genderqueer, now that that is a term in the lexicon.

    Anyway, sorry, I don't mean to hijack your discussion. But it would be nice, if you're going to compare AGs to TS
    • If i understand the term correctly Autogynephilia is either a paraphilia(sexual fetish) or a psychological condition , someone who is transgender or correctly gender assigned could have this philia/condition. The philia is someone who is aroused by themselves as a woman/man and may have sexual fantasies involving themselves as the other gender

      Trans-gender is a biological condition , put simply the body and mind do not correlate when it comes to gender , The heavy testing done is to make sure that the pers

      • Considering how the terminology has evelved (and how confusing it is), thats a pretty good explanation.

        Just a few clarifications:

        1. transgender now is used to cover a whole range of behaviours, such as people who see themselves as gender-neutral, those who live part-time as one gender and part-time as another with no need or desire to change biological genders, and those who "play with" their gender role, such as transvestites.

          http://www.answers.com/transgender&r=67 [answers.com]

          Transgender can include a number

        • ;) If there is one subject I know a lot about it is sexual behaviours .. seriously I did a course on it to make up some credit when doing my biology stuff and it was the only interesting thing left.

          • Psychology of Sex was really fun - and not for the reasons people would think. Its a really interesting topic.

            So, when can we expect your Sexual Liberation Manifesto?

            I've covered transsexuals - how about you covering the transgender/nogender/genderf*ck movement? That's pretty much a psycholgical/social phenomena.

            Or the Body Mods culture (talk about extreme case modding) - there you go - a series called "Extreme Case Mods HOWTO". I can guarantee if you put that in your signature you'll have people goi

            • ;) I decided to focus on Paraphilias .. well not for the reasons one would expect . It is defiantly one of the most interesting areas and encompasses a wide variety of issues . These largely fall into the nurture side of things and it can be fascinating doing case studies .

              I will either do that or write a small skit about a guy with an OCD who can only use the letters he pulls out of a scrabble board (20 of them) for the entire day( unlimited use of each but only those)(Based on a semi-true story) ...Sorry
            • Or the Body Mods culture


              Oh that would be so fun to do.

              • I think so - after all, its been around since the dawn of civilization (and probably longer - we just don't have any records that go back that far).

                If people think that the woman working the checkout is a bit strange when she's got enough piercings on her head to pull in satellite TV, "they ain't seen nothin' yet". Basically, if it's flesh or skin or bone, it's been pierced, stretched, scarified, removed, replaced, decorated, or some other thing ...

                I remember they had one scene on "Just for Laughs Gags

                • If I did a series of articles on body modifications, I wonder what sort of a slant they would take.

                  On one side, I am extremely flexible and understanding of a wide variety of beliefs and practices.

                  On the other hand, I am against almost any form of cosmetic [1] body modification for religious, spiritual, and logical reasons.

                  Inspired by you, I think I will be doing a series of articles, on purity, with a natural emphasis on its conflicts with American values.

                  Mind you this is purity viewed threw the eyes of an

                  • It would certainly get read if you temporarily stuck an "interesting" tag in your sig. "Extreme Case Mods" would do it, I think :-)

                    I think fuzzy cat ears would be a serious problem for cats - they would reduce the surface area that a cat can get cooling from. Can you imagine cats panting and drooling like dogs on hot days?

                    • I think fuzzy cat ears would be a serious problem for cats - they would reduce the surface area that a cat can get cooling from. Can you imagine cats panting and drooling like dogs on hot days?


                      Cat ears are fuzzy anyways, not seriously furry, but a bit fuzzy.

                      I didn't mean for cats anyway. o_O

                    • The inside surface - there's lots of blood vessels near the surface. That's why they also get frostbitten ears :-)

                      I didn't mean for cats anyway
                      ... oh.

                    • ... oh.

                      Sorry about the awkward working of those sentences, too late at night I am afraid.

                      The thing is, I am all for genetic manipulation of the human body for general improvements, ever read 0wnz0red [salon.com]?

                      "From now on, you are on a six cheeseburger a day diet."

                      Lovely. The human body is capable of so much more than what uses it is put to, why must we lift weights just to encourage our body to perform a chemical reaction that could occur at any time? Why is excess body fat not burned for energy before our bodie

                    • I hadn't read it, so I took the time to ... its a good story :-) Thanks.

    • Male transvestites usually don't usually resort to getting their genitals modified (though in some cases, if, for example, they're making a living from it, such as from prostitution, they might or might not get other "body mods"). The borders used to be much clearer than they are today, but that's the case for a LOT of things. Republican vs Democrat, Liberal vs Conservative, for example.

      Fidel's explanation (below) is a good start. Maybe he can write an article on it :-)

  • What's TTFN stand for? And why would signing letters with it be considered "womanly"?
  • I've been skipping these. Decided to skim for some reason today. Didn't know about the personal element. Interesting. If you decide to adopt a new nom de plume, make sure to at least give us a hint.

    • Sorry about that ...

      As for the "nom de plume, slashdot could pick up some money if they offered to let people change their nick for, say, $10.00. Its 1 entry in a db.

      I do have a backup account I created a couple of years ago, but this one is SO good for trolling :-)

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