I hate how it is always presented like lack of encryption is a bad thing. In many cases it is not. Someone has to have physical control to get to that data. Physical control is the first piece of security. Encryption in many cases after that protects NOTHING from the owners perspective. Encryption after that fact, other than the end to end communications are almost always used AGAINST the owner. Metrics and information that the owner never gets a chance to explicitly deny. I agree with encrypted communications and even encryption at rest, but things like pinned certificates and other aspects of encryption do absolutely nothing but allow manufacturers to weaponize things against the owner. Being blocked out is the first step, but after that comes data mining. Then after that comes artificially crippled features so those features can be sold back to you piecemill. Fuck that and them. Every connected thing should be forced by the government to have features at the bare minimum that allow the owner to see data streams and control what goes where. Zero trust is the gold standard in security and the fact that owners are not allowed to lock out the manufacturer from EV's and other cars is patently ridiculous. These things are connected to the grid a large portion of the time for God's sake. Government needs to step in and enforce that all connected things have a root level firewall that allows the OWNER to control the security and where the data goes and the ability to inspect encrypted traffic to see if they approve of it leaving the vehicle or the connected thing.

Will they have their batteries always connected to the internet like they force us to do with our cars? I think not. Commercial and Industrial applications understand the concept of zero trust security and being able to lock your stuff down and would literally laugh if they were forced to keep it online all the time even when there is no documented need for them to be online, but yet they force owners to trust them (trust is and never should be a security model) and owners should always have the ability to lock out the manufacturer when there is not a documented need. Even homeowner EV's are still regularly connected to the grid and should be able to be locked down to the OWNERS specification, not the manufacturer.

If you have to use a cloud based user account they already have their dick in your ass.

That is the entire problem with computing as it has evolved over the years. In the early days of computing, computer code was meant to enable the owner. Laws are and always have been sufficient to punish people from breaking the law without needing tech specific versions of many laws. The code that came out of those eras was meant to enable you to do things. Things that did not work, did not work because it was an oversight or just not a planned feature. There was never any code to make something NOT work by design. As computing progressed, the OS and app creators have gotten more and more heavy handed and writing more and more code to break things on purpose to the point where in todays modern operating systems there is significantly more code to STOP you from doing things that there is to enable it. DRM, artificial crippling so that functionality can be sold back, attempts to lock you out of your system to make you only a consumer all of this is creating more code and bloat than all of the code that is there to simply make it do things, by a significant margin. Things should never be police to their owners. Computing should enable people to do their wildest dreams if they have the skills. Laws always were sufficient to punish people for doing bad things with that power without having tech specific versions of those laws that have be a large component of ruining the computing landscape.

I would rather see Chinese vehicles at a price point that erases US car makers off the map if they refuse to allow us the ability to secure our things against THEM. At least we know right from the get go that the Chinese are going to do it so at least we can get help from the government in securing the Chinese crap. But the American makers, like how GM got busted selling everyones non-anonymized data and how GM encrypted the canbus to keep them from having to compete with anyone for add ons. All current EV's in the US market force the systems to be online through the data connections controlled by the car makers so that they have data about everything in your life. When you come and go, where you go, and the lock downs are used to keep you tied to their ecosystem in way that keeps their data feed going. We have no ability to lock them out without severely degrading functionality and that is the true reason those lockdowns exist. To keep them in the loop. Most security breaches are by so called "trusted" entities, but the thing is even the US governments own guidance on connected things is the zero trust model. You keep things offline, at least firewalled it not airgapped, until there is a documented need for it to be connected. It should not be a requirement of access their servers and asking their permission to control our things. That should be direct to the thing and people VPN it off for remote control. Cloud control through their app should only ever be an option and never the only option.

I forgot to add how Chinese apps have been caught spying even when the code itself is benign. I'll use TikTok as an example. TikTok has been caught providing GPS feedback in NEGATIVE back to the CCP. Here is what I mean by negative. Certain areas in the US are tightly controlled with no access allowed. Usually government issues phones or things like that explicitly are denied to have those apps, but what they search for is in aggregate data where they can look for places where they know there are buildings but yet none of their apps or services ever goes. These areas are flagged for more "spying". EV cars will be used no differently but also with the added issues that microphones can be turned on remotely and other things. When looked at in aggregate, what seems to be even minute risks can turn into massively real issues when used together with other data sets in ways that most people never imagine.

While I fully agree that Chinese cars are insecure and will used at the very least in the same way other Chinese apps are used to spy on the public and gain information that even extends into true cases of national security (I'll cover ways below just in case people are unaware), but this is two faced bullshit when the American market is spying on us just as much. EV's are connected in ways that the companies will not allow the users to have any semblance of security from the owners standpoint. Things are locked down to protect them from the users, not us from bad things. The governments own guidance for connected things is that they be sandboxed at least, if not airgapped when there is no documented need for anyone to get in. That even means locking out the manufacturers. The lockdowns are used as a way to keep you using cellular connectivity that they control in a way that prevents you from locking them out. It keeps you using apps that connect to servers you dont control to ask permission from someone who does not own your thing to control that thing that exists (preferably behind your firewall). But we are not allowed that. These systems are weaponized against the users of the systems so that they can datamine everything about you and deny you services that would work on other networks but instead keeping you on a network they fully control. So to non Chinese car makers.... with that said, give us the keys to our security destiny or let loose the Chinese EV's and die. Things attached to infrastructure should not be connected all the time and should at the very least be firewalled and opened ONLY WHEN NEEDED. Local API's to control your things should be forced and cloud based systems that require full time connectivity should only ever be an option, and not the only one.

Even windows has decided it too shit to be allowed to interact with so has stated killing itself.

And why is this? It is absolutely ridiculous that people are so clueless that they even still TRY to use the Chinese apps. Even if spun off to American "ownership" the main people in the company are extensions of the CCP. It has been proven that even with just the app itself in "normal" mode that the data is used in negative to find areas of interest. Any area where no GPS tracking comes from their app (because it is disallowed in certain areas) causes them to dig into it to find out if it is something worth their interest. They also have the proven ability to push updates to the app to add nefarious services just the duration of the snoop then it goes back. So it never triggers malicious app on the scans even though it can be toggled for malicious usage then put back in original state very quickly. It is simply malware from the Chinese government that is wrapped in an addictive shell.

Even if spun off to American "ownership" the main people in the company are extensions of the CCP. It has been proven that even with just the app itself in "normal" mode that the data is used in negative to find areas of interest. Any area where no GPS tracking comes from their app causes them to dig into it to find out if it is something worth their interest. They also have the proven ability to push updates to the app to add nefarious services just the duration of the snoop then it goes back. So it never triggers malicious app on the scans even though it can be toggled for malicious usage then put back in original state very quickly. It is simply malware from the Chinese government that is wrapped in an addictive shell.

I'm glad someone else feels this way. I would go as far as say for me it generates a fight or flight response. I have a very strong dislike to anything that makes me feel like someone is trying to manipulate me. Insincere greetings and platitudes or forced ones just light me up like a Christmas tree in a bad way. Also is the new thing where every company wants to know my name for the greeting. You can have my name when we're friends. Otherwise, I have no problem being a number. Sales people are the absolute worst. I once knew a guy who wrote everything down in a notepad that you may have mentioned about likes, dislikes, family events and other things and he would study his previous notes before meeting with anyone. I find this INCREDIBLY creepy and infuriating. It makes me want to run and hide and keep a book taped to my ass, because someone is wanting to ram something up my hiney. I cannot turn this off, not that I would really want to try.

I use ChatGPT because there is NOT any lock in. They want to start playing that game, they lose my money.

Is one of the worlds most despicable companies. One of their many business models for gaining new customers is that they have former executives "leave" their company, move to another company, then immediately fire IT at that company and shift services to Accenture. It is extraordinarily corrupt.

It is not meat. The definition of meat is flesh of a living organism. No living organism, no meat. Lab grown meat is alive only in that cells divide, there are no other components that work together to make a living being. If they call it meat, it is dishonest and deserves to be shunned. Call it what it is and I'll give it a chance. Lab grown meat substitute, or heck even make up a new name for it, but don't call it meat. Also, the usage of the word protein to describe meat is about as hoity toity as it gets. Calling real meat simply protein is like calling an automobile simply metal. Meat contains protein, primarily is protein, but only by percentage, there are many more things that are in a piece of muscle from a mammal or the flesh of a fruiting body on a plant also called meat.

Don't try and market it as meat, and I'll give it a chance. You lie and market it as meat and I'll avoid forever. The definition of meat is the flesh of a living being. Just because it is protein simulating meat doesn't mean that it's meat. Also, I have just as much of an issue with frozen dinners calling something beef or chicken or pork when it has fillers in it. In my opinion to be able to legally use those terms (meat, beef, pork, chicken) it has to be 100% of those things except for possible hydration and spicing. Fillers should automatically force it to be called meat substitute or at least something understood to have fillers like meatloaf or something like that. Pressed and formed meat like substance can F right off.