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Journal pudge's Journal: Prediction 29

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I predict that if Kerry wins, there will be a lot of people ticked off, but we will as a nation accept it and move on.

I predict that if Bush wins, there will be a lot of people ticked off, and we will see violence in the streets, with hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers complaining that democracy is dead and Bush has stolen the election and hijacked the government.

Of course, we will only be able to find out if one of my predictions is accurate.

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  • While I'm not sure completly about the violence in a Bush win, I do think bush will win. And I don't think it will be a necesarily close race. It may be close in several states, but I think in the end Bush will win a lot of states, and the electorial vote will be greatly in his favor.
  • Mrs. John Edwards agrees with you [drudgereportarchives.com].

    (Hat tip for this post goes to a conservative user whose karma has been modbombed by the non-metamoddable "overrated"... and who has already exceeded his allotted two posts for today)

  • Whatever the outcome, the country will accept it and move on. There will be lawsuits, there will be contention, there will be many people claiming the outcome is illegitimate. But by January everything will be done but the shouting.

    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -

    Claire Wolfe [clairewolfe.com], 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution

    "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transi

  • I would have said the complete opposite [salon.com]. Heck we've already had one election stolen from us. The worst that happened? Eggs were thrown at the President's motorcade during inauguration day. I think the rage embodied by the linked article (and by friends and family members telling us that a vote for Kerry is a vote for Satan, that we support Osama and the killing of American soldiers... come on!) won't be contained. I'm not saying riots, but I don't think it will be good.

    Also, Pudge. I'm surprised at

    • We have millions of ignorant people out there claiming Bush is illegitimate, many of whom say they are only holding on with the knowledge they can fix that "mistake" in 2004. We saw some violence from them in NYC for the GOP convention. And I personally think many of them will riot if their candidate loses.

      I hope I am wrong.

      Should I not say something I think?
      • No, you can say what you think, but I am saying that the same rages lie with the good republicans. Should Kerry win, they are just as likely (not less) to do drastic things.
        • It's not that I think Republicans don't do violent things. I just don't think it will take the form of riots and post-election mayhem. We know some asshole right-wingers have killed gays and blacks in recent years. That's the kind of thing you see on the right, and not the left. Meanwhile, you see riots at WTO meetings and political conventions. That's the kind of thing you see on the left, and not the right.

          Be proud, I am saying the left is more organized and has a better sense of community involveme
          • Be proud, I am saying the left is more organized and has a better sense of community involvement. ;-)

            Funny, but the vitriol I get (not here necessarily) for my choice in the race is pretty scary. I am saying that this election is so charged and has so much division isn't going to pretty no matter who wins.

            • Funny, but the vitriol I get (not here necessarily) for my choice in the race is pretty scary.

              Understood.

              I am saying that this election is so charged and has so much division isn't going to pretty no matter who wins.

              I agree.
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      • It's true, on the left there is a huge sense of frustration, that the system is failing. If you feel that way, violence is one possible response. And I don't think there is a comparable sense on the right.

        On the other hand, the minority of radical-lefties who are violent never work alone. They need a big demonstration before they feel safe enough to do property damage. And for them violence is symbolic, a simulacrum of radical rage. Halliburton does not have storefronts like the Gap, so what would their ta
        • I was in LA for the Rodney King verdict. My campus was covered in soot from the burning. Maybe that is some of why I am a bit sensitive to the idea of rioting? I dunno.
    • You seem to be saying, we're good and decent people and if our candidate (Bush) should, God forbid, lose, we will accept it like the good and decent people that we are. We're above hatred and anger. We'll move on. However, if YOUR candidate loses, you all will descend into the pits or your obvious depravity.

      Not at all. Kerry isn't hated among Republicans like Bush is hated among Democrats. And there are reasons for this.

      Kerry is an opportunist who can't accomplish anything other than winning elec

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
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      • Kerry is an opportunist who can't accomplish anything other than winning elections. Because he can't do anything, Republicans don't really fear him. For example, out of 20 years in the Senate, he only authored 11 bills that were signed into law (and several of these don't really amount to anything). In another example, it took Kerry one month to finally decide on a campaign sign. He was so worried about fonts and colors and if it should have an American flag in it or not. So...given this..what kind of threa

    • You don't hear Republicans saying they will leave the country if Kerry wins. You don't hear Republicans making wild claims about Kerry's competence.

      This whole election has been one big ad-hominem attack. Pudge sits here and honestly considers both sides while, to be honest, most Democrats sit there and make outlandish and unfounded statements about Bush's intelligence and desires for the country. Bush is not stupid, and he is not an imperialist. Anyone who says so has not honestly looked at the candid

      • You don't hear Republicans saying they will leave the country if Kerry wins.

        I do. But none I hear are serious.

        • You're right. I do hear that, from Republicans who are not being serious, and non-serious people who happen to be Republicans. And to be fair, many of the Democrats I hear saying that are probably not being serious.

          But I'm scared by the fact that some are! Look, Bush may have different politics than half of the country (so does Kerry), but he is not an Osama bin Laden. The rhetoric about him is just inexcusible and shows that many on that side are not interested in seriously considering opposing views

      • You don't hear Republicans saying they will leave the country if Kerry wins.

        Yes I have. More than once. The same people that said that a vote for Kerry was a vote for Satan and that they will have to leave to protect their families once religion is outlawed. The funny thing was that they were going to go to Canada... why does everyone choose Canada?

        You don't hear Republicans making wild claims about Kerry's competence.

        See other posts in this thread. Again, you make my point. "We don't engage i

    • BTW, you make me honestly want to see Kerry win, so we can show you guys how to lose.

      • Cool. I'll be watching, because Kerry will win.

        I will admit it if you are right. You did read the linked article from my original post, didn't you. Just to be clear, stuff like that won't be considered graceful.

  • ...complaining that democracy is dead...

    Democracy may not be dead in America. But after watching your most recent election campaign (I am writing this the day before the election...) it seems to me that American Democracy is on life support.

    Democracy is hard work. Being a meaningful participant in a real democracy is hard work. You and I probably agree about that.

    We probably agree that someone with a real commitment to democracy doesn't just have to get the energy to go vote on election day.

    • Democracy may not be dead in America. But after watching your most recent election campaign (I am writing this the day before the election...) it seems to me that American Democracy is on life support.

      I don't understand this at all. You really think the situation is worse now than it was 50, 100, 200 years ago? Why?

      In my opinion, real democracy requires an open, civil, respectful, dialogue on the issues. You have lost that in America. You can find island's of civility, but most of what passes for pol

      • You really think the situation is worse now than it was 50, 100, 200 years ago? Why?

        Well, let me counter your question with another question. Did Nixon's dirty tricks campaign in the leadup to the 1972 election represent the nadir of election polity of recent memory? Or is this one worse?

        Yes, I think it is just a coincidence that Nixon too was a Republican.

        Nixon may have sent burglars to bug Democrat HQ. He is accused of doing some other crappy stuff. But active campaigns to disenfranchise la

        • Did Nixon's dirty tricks campaign in the leadup to the 1972 election represent the nadir of election polity of recent memory? Or is this one worse?

          What is "this one"? I can't think of anything I've seen recently that is especially bad.

          But active campaigns to disenfranchise large blocks of voters? He didn't do that.

          Who has? Not Bush, certainly.

          Just because these practices have been accepted in the past that is no reason to accept them today.

          That is entirely beside the point. I am saying cries ab

  • wow. (Score:1)

    by jefe289 ( 34351 ) *
    glad to know how you really feel about liberals.

    Over the past several weeks, I think you've shown more and more of your true colors. When I started following your journal, I thought... okay, pudge has a differing opinion, but he always comes in with a logical base/structure.

    Lately, its been different. This post shows perfectly how much you hate and distrust us. You will never, ever seriously consider opinions from the "other side."

    This is me, choosing to tune you out now.

    PS... since this is kindof ex po

    • Re:wow. (Score:2)

      by pudge ( 3605 ) *
      glad to know how you really feel about liberals. ... Lately, its been different. This post shows perfectly how much you hate and distrust us.

      You actually think I was talking about all, most, or even a significant minority of liberals? You are just blind.

      You will never, ever seriously consider opinions from the "other side."

      I have, many times, and I continue to. If you really were following my journal, you would know this, so it's clear you're just making things up. Don't do that.

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