Journal pudge's Journal: Palin-phobia 27
In memory, I have never seen the left this scared about anyone on the right before. Yes, I said "scared." How else to explain this sort of hatred? How can you hate her? Her face is "offensive"? And this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's pure venom out there.
Palin said nothing objectionable, other than political lines that at least half the country agrees with. Oh right, she took some sarcastic jabs at The Obama. None shall criticize Him, for He is Good. Biden can criticize McCain, because, well, he's just plain old McCain, not The McCain. Snark and meanness are acceptable from the left, because the left is on the side of goodness, light, and virtue, forever and ever amen.
I figured this would happen but it is so much more pathological than I anticipated. It's the most remarkable thing I've seen in politics for a long, long time. They know that Palin did great, they know that she could make Obama lose Pennsylvania and Ohio and Colorado and other states -- and therefore the election. They are completely shell-shocked by the events of the last week and the only thing they can do in response is Hate.
Cross-posted on <pudge/*>.
she could make Obama win Pennsylvania and Ohio (Score:2)
It's pure venom out there.
I'm fairly confident if one were to watch all the news channels, you'd see that BS both ways.
I live in Ohio, if that matters much.
Palin scares me because she's "part of the religious right". Most people I know, who aren't evangelicals/bible-thumper/insert-disrespectful-term-here are scared of her for what she could bring; all those religious righteous people's beliefs and wills upon us all, without our right to choose.
And those that are, they're divided. On one hand they "finally have one of their own" but
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I live in Ohio, if that matters much.
My family is originally all from PA, and my brother and his family live in Ohio, if that matters much. :-)
Not a SINGLE person will vote against McCain or for Obama because of Palin. Not a single one.
But a significant number of people will vote FOR McCain because of Palin.
Palin scares me because she's "part of the religious right". Most people I know, who aren't evangelicals/bible-thumper/insert-disrespectful-term-here are scared of her for what she could bring; all those religious righteous people's beliefs and wills upon us all, without our right to choose.
Abortion aside, this is sheer nonsense. First, she is essentially on the libertarian wing of the GOP. She has no record of forcing things on people. Second, the left forces their beliefs and wills upon us all FAR more than the "religiou
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Second, the left forces their beliefs and wills upon us all FAR more than the "religious right" ever has.
You kind of need a serious historical study to make that stick, including serious attempts as well as successes.
I see not a single thing wrong with that. Obama did the SAME THING, and I didn't complain about that, either. Did you complain when he did it?
Palin has little national level exposure, and therefore was forced to spend time with introductions.
More generally, rather "bickering and arguing over who laid hands on who", we need to work towards a culture that stigmatizes bad taste in public speech. Families are an important contextual part of leadership. Unhinged reporting about families should be ignored. If we can make the verbal mess,
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Second, the left forces their beliefs and wills upon us all FAR more than the "religious right" ever has.
You kind of need a serious historical study to make that stick, including serious attempts as well as successes.
Yes, so you've read Goldberg's book? :)
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^^^^^ THIS
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Power despising vacuum, the fascist historical debris follows.
It's really all organizational behavior, plus a tendency to fetish propaganda.
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To say that Goldberg presents anything like a complete picture, and explores the cases where the Christians forget that "Render unto Caesar" is the original statement on separation of church and state (and I know this community most well), is to give the critics ammunition.
If you give them ammunition, they will shoot it at you.
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I hold myself to a different standard in replying to a comment, especially one to someone like you, than I do with actually making an argument.
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Even the better of these little ransom notes tends to be guilty of over-simplification somewhere.
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The "Creationism" issue is nonsense on several levels.
First, ID is not Creationism. It's not. Everyone who thinks it is, is wrong. And Palin did not mention creationism, I believe, but ID.
Second, that's not to say ID should be taught alongside evolution, but now we get to the nub: who cares if Palin thinks ID might have scientific validity? REALLY GOOD SCIENTISTS still disagree on the relative merits of evolution and ID. Yes, there's consensus about the broader points, but on many specifics there's a l
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I'm pretty sure yours was a rhetorical question, but for the more literal-minded who might stumble across this, I can confirm (having watched her speech last night) that she said nothing of the sort.
(C-SPAN FTW, BTW...it's the closest thing to unfiltered convention coverage you'll find w
Remember how the left harassed Linda Tripp? (Score:1)
Newsflash for you lefties: Attacking Palin's looks makes you look jealous, if not completely immature.
Besides: Palin is cute.
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Would I be as enthusiastic if she had a face like 40 miles of bad road? Built like a pear? I hope so.
It's your country, not your hormones, boss.
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Her cuteness really is beside the point.
Would I be as enthusiastic if she had a face like 40 miles of bad road? Built like a pear? I hope so.
It's your country, not your hormones, boss.
It's not about hormones. The fact is, we would never elect someone who didn't have a nose, but instead had a gaping hole in the middle of their face, no matter how great they were. Looks matter. They certainly matter at LEAST as much to the successes of Obama and Biden as that of Palin.
And heck, they mattered a lot with George Washington, too.
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Lincoln grew a beard to cover his homely mug.
Seriously. If you ain't got sufficient maturity to vote for a candidate that looks like http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=candy+crowley&gbv=2 [google.com], based on the quality of the ideas, and irrespective of gender, race, creed (I could even vote for Romney, for all I'm a Joesph Smith critic), then we still have a ways to go.
I acknowledge that I am arguing against the
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Even Lincoln ... would he have been elected if he were short? Probably not.
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Seconding something said earlier (Score:1)
She's an anti- for people like my parents, who are Catholic but who've said to me, paraphrased, "We like her stance on abortion but her stance on sex ed is ridiculous and frankly she's evangelical enough to scare us."
They're still voting for McCain though, they're single-issue folks.
Me, I just point out the favorable comparison between her and President Roslyn. She can tell me I'm being too loud in her library anytime. This comes from a middle of the road kinda guy--if I end up voting against McCain, it's
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She's an anti- for people like my parents, who are Catholic but who've said to me, paraphrased, "We like her stance on abortion but her stance on sex ed is ridiculous and frankly she's evangelical enough to scare us."
Your parents are being irrational. See my other comment in this journal about it.
That said, yes, many people WILL be irrational, and that is what the Dems are counting on.
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I agree, but they're irrational about any number of issues by definition--as I said, single-issue voters. They'd seriously consider voting for Mao if he ran pro-life.
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I agree, but they're irrational about any number of issues by definition--as I said, single-issue voters. They'd seriously consider voting for Mao if he ran pro-life.
Well, a pro-life Mao wouldn't be a Mao, so it's hard to say how irrational that would be. If he would still slaughter millions, OK, that would be irrational, but not very pro-life. :-)
I'm starting to see the genius... (Score:2, Interesting)
...of McCain's pick. He prolly thought to himself: "I need some help winning over the Conservative base. Who can I get to help me? Ah, the MSM! I'll pick Sarah Palin, the media will of course immediately commence overtly unfairly ripping on her, not being able to help themselves, not knowing what else to do. This will infuriate Conservatives, independents, women, heartlanders, etc., and cause them to vote for me!" Step aside Karl Rove, McCain is the new evil-genius political mastermind!
If #politics is any sign (Score:2)
The number of people saying how they hate McCain, but are voting for Palin on #politics was really surprising. It is almost like they are going to vote for her as President.
Very Odd if this is "energizing the party." I guess it is true, but odd that they appear to be energized to vote for someone other than their party's nominee for the top slot and instead are energized to vote for the number two position.
I guess it doesn't matter, but they do realize that McCain probably is going anywhere anytime soon,
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The number of people saying how they hate McCain, but are voting for Palin on #politics was really surprising. It is almost like they are going to vote for her as President.
The reason so many people on the right "hate" McCain is because they (mostly falsely) believe he is a "liberal," and they believe he is hostile to their conservative interests. This is a clear sign that he won't ignore the conservative base.
So it makes a lot of sense.