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Scott Adams on Intelligent Design. Most of the comments don't get it, which is, of course, his point.
Scott Adams on Intelligent Design. Most of the comments don't get it, which is, of course, his point.
The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the `social sciences' is: some do, some don't. -- Ernest Rutherford
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The voters in Dover, PA had it right. Put discussion of the supernatural in religion class, where it belongs.
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That's false.
Any ID proponent who says otherwise is lying.
You're ignorant.
Really, very much so.
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It's like medical marijuana. 99.99% of proponents favor legal pot, or at least decriminalization - but they don't want to admit it, so they say
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No, actually, most of them do admit a religious motivation, but leave religion out of what is proposed to be taught in schools. They do not leave *philosophy* out of what is to be taught in schools, of course. Just because the philosophy involves the proposition of a God-like figure doesn't mean it is religious. (And this is pa
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No, they're not.
I'm a Creationist. I believe that God created the Universe. I believe in the Six Day Creation depiction found in Genesis.
I'm not going to explain it. You get it or you don't.
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And, more importantly, in the absence of legal authority to include it, would you support intelligent design as an alternative to evolution?
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Shouldn't it be up to the parents to decide what to teach their kids?
In other words: Since I don't live in Kansas, why should I care what they teach in Kansas schools with regard to evolution or ID? Why should you?
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But your argument is bogus. There are many parochial/religious private schools which include more than a little 'faith' in their education. I'd like to point out that the majority of these students complete a 4 year degree -- and many go beyond that. Far more than the average public school graduate which receives no education in theology/faith. And some of these parochial schools (I can think of 2 sch
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Where I have a big problem with the ID/Creation/"gaps in the fossil record" people is when they pretend it's science, or rather redefine science to reflect these beliefs. By misrepresenting science (similarly to how "abstinence only" types misrepresent well-established public health knowledge) they do their st
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So do those who pretend that science proves there was no design. (a few schools)
So do those who ignore a child's psyche in favor of statist social policy. (many schools)
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Nobody's stopping you from offering a free education to anyone in the country you want, and nobody's stopping them from accepting it, except perhaps their parents. But then, in that case, you should be able to achieve your ends by educating them once they become adults.
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What -I- believe is not a matter up for discussion, though RailGunner brings up a good point.
As long as the basics (Reading, Writing, 'Rithmatic) are given to acceptable levels, anything else should be left to the people themselves what gets taught in their schools. For example, some schools I've been in require foreign language stud
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Tell that to the hiring manager who has to deal with graduates without a reasonable science education - and who can choose instead to outsource the work to a place where they do take education seriously.
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Fine, but what's that got to do with YOU, unless you have a vote in East Gish, Kansas?
There was a time when self-governance meant something in this country
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But I do have a vote in Kansas. It's called the US Constitution. As long as there is an Establishment Clause, and my representatives don't vote to overturn it, it applies nationwide.
Don't forget that Kansas voters have a vote in California, too. The Commerce Clause backing regulation of marijuana by the Controlled Substances Act is the law in CA, despite being clearly opposed by the voters here (see Prop 215). It's part of what you get in a federal republic
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No, you do not.
It's called the US Constitution. As long as there is an Establishment Clause, and my representatives don't vote to overturn it, it applies nationwide.
That's not a vote, that's a law.
And there's no violation of the Establishment Clause here, as nothing in the Establishment Clause ever stated, nor implied, that government institutions must be totally religion-free. It was the opposite intent, that politics stay out of religion, not the other way around.
And more i
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science (or philosophy)
How about instead:
science
What is so wrong with teaching philosophy in, I dunno, philosophy class? That's where I learned it.
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You don't consider science to fall under philosophy?
Isn't that like not considering a dog to be a mammal?
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Every human endeavor is based on philosophy: language, politics, math, science, whatever. None of it exists without philosophy. But more than any of it, science relies on philosophy. I know some would think it relies
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I've pointed out before [slashdot.org] that there is a problem that people have with science in assuming it is the same as "truth" or "fact". It's not. Many people seem to hold the Indicium Sophia view of world... and their misunderstood 'god' is science.
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I think we just disagree on the role of the Establishment Clause. I agree with current USSC precedent and established law that does separate church and state, and that bars the government from establishing religion via the public schools. You don't.
Religion is not defined as "the mere recognition that there may be a higher pow
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I was talking specifically about the law as originally intended. Current interpretation obviously and clearly diverges from the original intent, and does so in a way that inevitably leads to a State Religion.
and that bars the government from establishing religion via the public schools. You don't.
That is entirely inaccurate. The problem is that you in
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Of course, that assumes ID is an *alternative* to evolution, which is not always true. For some people it is, for many (like Meyers), it is not. Unless you mean "evolution as an explanation for the Big Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything," which as you and I agreed the last time, it is not and cannot be. That, for me and many others, is where ID comes in.
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See, for all the yack of scientists that 'E'volution is fact, it is not repeatable, period, nor is ID or creationism. As such, it is not science, it is philisophical guesswork. Those are all answers to the "why" question at the root, not the "how" as they might appear on the surface.
Now on the
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Little e-evolution is the theory that species can evolve, even though it has not been observed. It is theoretically possible.
is incorrect.
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Since the whole point of his post was to define two alleged "types" of "evolution" distinguished by capitalization, you could've helped by clarifying that's the one you meant. I realize proper English grammar required the capital E at the beginning of your sentence, but that leads one to believe you're talking about the other.
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I more or less agree, however I would argue that music is important enough to be taught in schools, especially considering how close music can be to math at times, and that music can help develop skills such as pattern recognition in children. Physical Education is also important, as proper exercis
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The rest is simply not necessary to be a functioning member of society. Forget music and art too.
Now, advanced studies in math and science should be readily available, but as electives, in addition t
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But math... I have to disagree. Everything in the physical world can be modeled and understood better with math, whether it's music (and why scales consist of the notes they do, and what harmonics are, and what dissonance is), chemistry, physics, or even economics, math is critical.
I'd honestly like t
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So what? I don't use anything beyond alegbra, and I am a full-time computer programmer. It's not about what is good, it is about what is necessary to be a functioning and participating citizen who can understand the world around him and have the tools to learn what he needs.
I am not opposed to teaching more advanced math and science. I am opposed to neglecting more important things in favor of math and science. Math and scien
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Too bad they can't even teach that all the time. There are so many people coming out of the public education system today without the ability to do simple math without the help of a calculator, if at all.. nor able to read, that it's scary.
One thing they should add, which we did at my school (thanks again Mom and Dad for sacrificing and sending me to private school) is to learn basics about handling money as well. Budgeting, paying bills, etc. I
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No kidding. And that's part of the point. If there's more focus on what matters most, then the students are more likely to excel at those things.
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OK Kids, today we're going to play wiffle ball because we're too afraid to hand out aluminum bats
<G> In my day, it was bowling pins. In the fifth grade I got a black eye and stiches (and got to leave school for a day!!) from being hit in the fact with a wooden bowling pin during a P.E. activity. I kid you not. Never saw any P.E. activities involving bowling pins other than bowling after that.Re:OK, so answer me this. (Score:1)
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My wife reads; I think I have yet to convince her to post, although when she recently learned from me that she could alter the comment display defaults with an account, she may have signed up for one.
But, hey, it took CmdrTaco several years to get his girlfriend to post. Meanwhile, my wife edits Wikipedia, so I think I'm pretty lucky.
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Regardless of the fact that this is as simple a solution as anyone can come up with
Oh, there's a much simpler solution, and our Founders pursued it: http://www.sepschool.org/ [sepschool.org] :)
it is more about power than children.
Very true, and very insightful.
The power to state "I am right" and force children to learn the "facts" as one sees them, rather than give parents the right to oversee their children's education and let them learn one view, the other, or both.
Yep. It's a conflict between a believe
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If I refuse to provide t
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I started to post yesterday and make an offer for Texans to come up and liberate Massachusetts or something. :)