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Comment: Re:Um, no! (Score 1) 475

by CRCulver (#48042015) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

it doesn't hold water. first you should define Hindus as something

It's a basic tenet of anthropology that religions are defined by observing the beliefs and practices of the people claiming affiliation. Religions are not defined by an outsider imposing his expectation of a rigid dogma. Within Hinduism, there is an immense variety of beliefs and practices, some of them mutually contradictory to Western eyes, and that's fine by Hindus themselves. Even if most Hindus believe in the supernatural, others do not, and all of that coexists within, because inclusiveness is an value that most Hindus hold to.

Someone outside this religion (or outside any culture being studied in general) has no right to point at one person claiming an affiliation with Hinduism and say that "he is a real Hindu" and point at another and say "he is not".

Comment: Re:depends on circumstance (Score 1) 475

by fyngyrz (#48039091) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

Confident? I'm just stating the obvious. There can be life on planets. It can be intelligent. It can go to space.

I don't need confidence to make those observations; even a vague awareness of the world around me suffices.

And I fail to see what my intelligence has to do with any of it. These very simple facts wouldn't change any regardless if I was Einstein or a drooling idiot.

Your comment is downright strange.

Comment: Re:Missing out (Score 1) 214

You can run away from "a knife, steel pipe, baseball bat, wrench, box cutter, hammer, screwdriver, ice pick, awl, straight razor or any number of commonly found items to use in a robbery".

You can try, sure. If they run faster than you, though (and you never know until you try), you may come to regret it.

Comment: Re:depends on circumstance (Score 1) 475

by fyngyrz (#48033927) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

My worldview wouldn't change a whit.

We're already aware of life on a planet. That's what we are. Us, and cats, and dogs, and everything else living here. As humans, we're already aware of the great diversity of life even sourced from just the one planet. Likewise, the range of intelligence. Life, intelligence, on some planet? Spacecraft? Interest in exploring? Nothing groundbreaking there. Not a thing. Already known facts. It happens; we've watched it happen.

So, another case? Ok. Interesting? Sure. Absolutely. But already a 100% fit with what we know. The whole shebang is going to be about things to learn in the areas of culture and technology. Just specifics. The rest, we already knew.

Comment: Re:Different Religions (Score 1) 475

by fyngyrz (#48033853) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

Ask the aliens what their views on hacking their own bodies reproductive reward system, in order to avoid the reproduction part but still get the reward.

Hacking? Honey, I'm not hacking, I'm practicing. No, no, don't take them off. I like the way the line of the stocking goes up the back of your leg.

Comment: Re:Religion is a weakness. (Score 2) 475

by fyngyrz (#48033845) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

What makes you think this hasn't already happened?"

The uniform lack of any good advice indicating a technology in any way advanced from those the insights were supposedly given to. Nothing so advanced as "wash your hands before touching any wound", or a reasonable tip about cooking to eliminate parasites (instead of, for instance, forbidding shellfish and so on... just dumb, straight up primitive stuff.)

All religions fail this simple test: Their all-knowing patron (of whatever type) manifests as utterly clueless. So whatever else might have been going on -- and that certainly leaves a very wide field -- visiting aliens can be very cleanly ruled out.

Comment: Re:Catching up with Fedora (Score 2) 631

by shutdown -p now (#48033671) Attached to: Microsoft Announces Windows 10

Given that all the Unix shells predate PowerShell by at least two decades, and more for most of them, of course they wouldn't alias PS commands.

And no-one said that PS is better because it has aliases. Aliases are there for convenience of people who come to it from other shells (which is why it has other aliases for people coming from cmd.exe - "dir" works same as "ls", for example, and "help" works like "man" etc). What makes it better is something else - the notion of passing structured data in streams, rather than just text (which is then just a subset). For some things where you have to write insane sed/awk scripts in Unix to massage the text output of a command into something that another command wants, the equivalent PS can be three times as short, and orders of magnitude clearer, because it doesn't need to parse text to extract the data - it just reads the property of an object.

Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 3, Informative) 475

by CRCulver (#48033647) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

How widely do you think that Hindus accept their ritual without belief as Hinduism?

Very widely indeed, because it would be a major faux pas for one Hindu to ask a another "Do you really believe in all this? Say you do!" Instead, people are not asked about what they feel deep inside, so they are free to believe whatever they wish. This is what makes Hinduism so inclusive and, over time, so syncretic.

Hindu fundamentalists vs. Hinduism: Column [usatoday.com]

Being very familiar with the contemporary Hindutva phenomenon because I work in a field affected by it, I very strongly suspect that the amount of Hindus who do not believe in the supernatural is greater than the number of Karnataka-state demagogues and their followings. These sorts aren't quite at the microscopic level of a Westboro Baptist Church, but considering the population of India, they might as well be, they've simply learned to work the media and engage in some minor vandalism like similar groups abroad.

Comment: Re:Um, no! (Score 3, Interesting) 475

by CRCulver (#48033331) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

Hindu people believe that failures in morality/karma/dharma result in a corrupt soul and may result in reincarnation as a lesser creature as punishment.

Many people who call themselves Hindus believe that. However, Hinduism is essentially a ritual complex that can include both people who believe that and people who do not believe that.

You could have had the courtesy of reading past the first paragraph in the Wiki page too...

Wikipedia is not a useful source for this particular issue. Perhaps you live in the backwoods somewhere and have not become aware of over a century of problems arising because Hinduism is presented in ordinary reference sources through a Western religious lens? Meanwhile, scholars of comparative religion and anthropologists have always been keen to emphasize the ritual-centered and inclusive features of Hinduism. It is involvement in this ritual complex, combined with a tolerance of other people's beliefs (i.e. it's fine to be atheist, but it's best to keep your belief that your fellow Hindu's object of devotion doesn't exist to yourself) that makes one a Hindu, even if one personally rejects the supernatural.

"an order that makes life and universe possible" [is] superstitious and incompatible with atheism.

How is that belief superstitious and incompatible with atheism? It's any atheist's observation of the anthropic principle.

Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 1) 475

by CRCulver (#48033105) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?
If you think so, it's likely that you are erroneously applying Western ideas of what religion is to Hinduism. I think you'd benefit from actually reading something about this particular subject -- or even going to India and talking to educated Indians who will tell you quite openly that they don't believe in a God, supernatural phenomenon or anything up and out there, but they find value in a series of rituals that link their community together. Performing these rituals does nothing to compromise their firm atheism; who are you to claim it does?

Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 3, Insightful) 475

by CRCulver (#48032803) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?
One thing to keep in mind when looking at those statistics is that Hinduism and atheism are compatible. Hinduism is a ritual complex, not a series of theological propositions that one must hold or else one can't be a Hindu. Many educated Indians believe that Hinduism is a environment within which they interact with their families and the society around them, while inside they believe that there is no supernatural.

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