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Comment: Re:its not a claim, its a fact of life. (Score 4, Informative) 438

by kthreadd (#48189093) Attached to: Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

This isnt a thought or a prediction, this is something systemd actually does when it takes NTP, console, logging, and networking and forces them into one application.

Except it's not. /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-networkd

My system is too old so I don't have the consoled on it, but I imagine that will be a separate daemon as well.

the fork threat is to be taken seriously because of the leaderships inability to actually recognize this as a massive security, scalability, and overall functionality problem that was steamrolled into debian largely at the behest of KDE and Gnome devs. The best solution to avoid a fork in my opinion is to give the user something thats also been forgotten about in the linux community: choice. Systemd or RC Init, or uselessd (a fork of systemd that tries to rehabilitate systemd)

That would of course be nice. But someone has to do the work. It's not like it's just a matter of flipping a bit and everything just works. You actually need to go in and make sure that stuff works with all of them.

Comment: Re:Please Debian (Score 1) 517

by kthreadd (#48172153) Attached to: Debian Talks About Systemd Once Again

The part that I don't like (besides it going against the unix philosophy) is how fast it's taking over before the majority of the Linux community even had a chance to have their say. And what really gets me is, if systemd was just an init system, fine. But at the rate they are going there is going to be a systemd everything.

Distributions are free to choose whichever init system they want to support. A lot of them choose systemd because it is better than everything that came before it. As simple as that. There is no big conspiracy going on. It's better, that's why it's used. Get over it.

Machines certainly can solve problems, store information, correlate, and play games -- but not with pleasure. -- Leo Rosten