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Comment: Re: systemd needs to stay optional (Score 1) 420

by kthreadd (#48280177) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Can You Say Something Nice About Systemd?

CoreOS is not designed to be used on just one or two machines. It's designed for huge clusters where one machine rebooting it not a problem. It allows them to implement more reliable updates. You either get it or you don't, and can quickly and easily roll back to the exact same bits you used before.

Comment: Re: As long as it works (Score 1) 420

by kthreadd (#48280099) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Can You Say Something Nice About Systemd?

If the major distros all switch to Systemd, which looks likely; then that's one less thing that prevents people from switching to another distro. If you want to belive in some kind of conspiracy around Red Hat, then wouldn't they be more likely to just invent their own proprietary init system and make sure that no one else adopted it?

Comment: Re:It freakin' works fine (Score 1) 420

by kthreadd (#48280023) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Can You Say Something Nice About Systemd?

Of course stuff was broken. Stuff is always broken. Sysvinit was broken. Systemd is better but is probably also broken, one day it may as well be replaced by something else. The good part is, we are making progress. Over time the new stuff tend to be less broken than the stuff that came before it. You might tell yourself that nothing was broken before, but chances are it just happened to work well for you. Because if it wasn't broken, then that would be the first time in the history of the planet that a software project was infallible; and that would be amazing.

Comment: Re:Why not allow the update into the repos? (Score 1) 126

by kthreadd (#48229637) Attached to: OwnCloud Dev Requests Removal From Ubuntu Repos Over Security Holes

My understanding is that the Ubuntu community does not have the manpower that it takes to maintain universe, and Canonical is primarily only intrested in maintaining main and restricted. What they really should do is disable universe and multiverse by default.

Comment: Re:Why not allow the update into the repos? (Score 2) 126

by kthreadd (#48228043) Attached to: OwnCloud Dev Requests Removal From Ubuntu Repos Over Security Holes

The Ubuntu package repositories are divided into two parts. Main and restricted contains a limited number of packages which are supported by the Ubuntu security team, but universe and multiverse are not; they are supported (or in this case unsupported) by the Ubuntu community.

The problem is that Ubuntu users don't know this.

Comment: Re:Why not allow the update into the repos? (Score 1) 126

by kthreadd (#48228037) Attached to: OwnCloud Dev Requests Removal From Ubuntu Repos Over Security Holes

Explain for me why the developers cannot simply upload their EXISTING 12.04 and 14.04 backports to Ubuntu, again?

They want you to use their package repository.
If the Ubuntu community wants to provide a version in the Ubuntu repository then the Ubuntu community has to support it.

Comment: Re:its not a claim, its a fact of life. (Score 4, Informative) 555

by kthreadd (#48189093) Attached to: Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

This isnt a thought or a prediction, this is something systemd actually does when it takes NTP, console, logging, and networking and forces them into one application.

Except it's not. /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-networkd

My system is too old so I don't have the consoled on it, but I imagine that will be a separate daemon as well.

the fork threat is to be taken seriously because of the leaderships inability to actually recognize this as a massive security, scalability, and overall functionality problem that was steamrolled into debian largely at the behest of KDE and Gnome devs. The best solution to avoid a fork in my opinion is to give the user something thats also been forgotten about in the linux community: choice. Systemd or RC Init, or uselessd (a fork of systemd that tries to rehabilitate systemd)

That would of course be nice. But someone has to do the work. It's not like it's just a matter of flipping a bit and everything just works. You actually need to go in and make sure that stuff works with all of them.

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